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Jack Roush, Carl Edwards lobby for mulligan in the Chase
By Jared Turner - SceneDaily Staff Writer
Monday, October 27, 2008
Roush Fenway Racing's Carl Edwards would like to purge his two bad finishes in NASCAR's Chase For The Sprint Cup.
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Car owner Jack Roush suggested after Sunday’s Pep Boys Auto 500 at Atlanta Motor Speedway that NASCAR consider throwing one race of each driver’s choosing out of the 10-race Chase For The Sprint Cup in future seasons. And he wasn’t joking.
With Roush Fenway Racing’s Carl Edwards second in the standings and 183 points behind series leader Jimmie Johnson with three races left, a mulligan might be Edwards’ best – and perhaps only – hope of winning the title at this point.
Roush admitted this after watching Edwards earn his seventh victory of the Cup season on Sunday but gain only 15 points on Johnson, who surged to second in the final laps after taking four fresh tires under a late caution.
“Days like this for teams like ours that have the success we’ve had, that’s what we want to go back and [remember] about 2008 – think about our championship run and what it meant,” Roush said. “But, unfortunately, I think it will come down to thinking about the broken engine parts, the ignition and the other frustrations we’ve had, but it would be my suggestion as NASCAR looks at how to make this [Chase] more exciting, [that] every team had an opportunity to throw out one race and be able to just count nine of the 10.
“That means you could have a mulligan, and you could be able to come back from it.”
Not surprisingly, Edwards also likes the idea of having at least one Chase finish purged from his record. While Johnson has placed no worse than ninth in seven playoff events, a crash-induced 29th at Talladega and ignition-box-induced 33rd at Charlotte dealt a severe blow to Edwards’ championship hopes. In the other five Chase races, he has placed no worse than third.
With a mulligan system in place, Edwards would be within striking distance of Johnson.
“I raced for 20-some years before I started with NASCAR stock-car racing back in 1988, and I’ve raced in a couple of series and had great championship runs with programs where they did throw out one or two races,” Roush said. “They didn’t have a 10-race deal at the end of the season but throughout the year, and what that really meant was until you used up your mulligan, you raced as hard as you could go every lap, and if you didn’t have a mulligan, well then you’d have to be somewhat more cautious.
“It’s more exciting if you’re able to go as hard as you can until you realize that they’re going to really hurt you.”
Edwards’ crew chief, Bob Osborne, concurs with Roush’s idea.
“I don’t think NASCAR wants to see their championship won by this many points, for sure,” he said. “I don’t want to see it won by this many points. I don’t think anybody wants to see it won by this many points, so if they come up with a format that can adjust this and make the Chase even that much more competitive, that would be wonderful.”
Of course, with the Chase rules already in place for 2008, there won’t be any mulligans awarded this year. The best Edwards can hope for is to win the final three races of the season and that Johnson has one or more bad finishes. To clinch his third consecutive title, all Johnson needs to do is come home ninth or better in each of the remaining events.
The Hendrick Motorsports driver hasn’t hasn’t been worse than ninth since the Sharpie 500 at Bristol Motor Speedway on Aug. 23.
Johnson is on pace to actually mathematically wrap up the title before the season finale at Homestead-Miami Speedway.
“He’s a heck of a competitor, just like I’ve said before,” said Edwards. “He’s the first guy to come congratulate you when you win, and that just makes him harder to beat. He’s just one of those guys that does it right. So we’ve got to hope that he has something happen like the things we’ve had happen and loses a couple hundred points and we just have to be able to capitalize because I believe with the way they’re running, it’s going to be really tough to beat them, but we can do it.
“We just have to go win, and if we do everything we can, that’s all we can do.”
Edwards hopes that at this time next year, he’ll be the one in position for a championship. If that were to happen, he admits he may not be as keen on the mulligan concept.
“You’ve got to be careful because next year, we might have 183-point lead here,” Edwards said. “I think it depends. It would be good right now, for sure. We’d maybe throw out two [races] - it would be great.”
Mentioned Drivers: Carl Edwards
2009 Sprint Cup Race for the Chase Standings
Driver Standings after the AMP Energy 500
| 1 | Jimmie Johnson | 6248 |
| 2 | Mark Martin | -184 |
| 3 | Jeff Gordon | -192 |
| 4 | Juan Pablo Montoya | -239 |
| 5 | Tony Stewart | -279 |
| 6 | Kurt Busch | -312 |
| 7 | Greg Biffle | -340 |
| 8 | Ryan Newman | -402 |
| 9 | Kasey Kahne | -414 |
| 10 | Carl Edwards | -437 |
| 11 | Denny Hamlin | -448 |
| 12 | Brian Vickers | -556 |
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chris welch said:
Oct 27, 2008 at 12:49 PMluck, good or bad, is part of racing. this is unique to this year. in all of the other chase's, all of the chasers had at least one bad race. that hasnt happened this year, but it can still happen. asking for a mulligan is pretty low. if roush were leading by that much and JJ and chad started talking mulligan, jack would have a cow and say that NASCAR is trying to steal another one from him.
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Oct 27, 2008 at 12:56 PMJack Roush just showing the world what a poor loser he really is.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportJason said:
Oct 27, 2008 at 2:11 PMWow...I don't recall Jack Roush expressing displeasure when Matt Kenseth won the championship in 2003. Albeit, that was during the Winston era, before the chase started. I can't believe they want to punish a guy/team (Jimmie Johnson/48 Crew) for their hard work and being able to compete at a very high level and they just keep raising the bar. Hey Jack, get rid of 1 or 2 of your teams and maybe you can focus your resources more towards winning a championship.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportStan Shimkus said:
Oct 27, 2008 at 2:11 PMA mulligan ... are you kidding me??? Once again, Roush shows his true colors.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportPatsy Irvine said:
Oct 27, 2008 at 2:16 PMI had all the respect in the world for Jack Roush & Carl Edwards, until I read this article.What is wrong with Mr. Roush, better known as "THE CAT N'THE HAT"..It seems to me he should be very happy with the way Carl is driving & "PUT HIS HAT OVER HIS MOUTH".My respect for them just went down the tubes.It's to bad,I was a big fan & have a lot of Carl Edwards STUFF, but no more.Anybody want the STUFF Cheap!!!!
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» Confirm Abuse ReportMeg said:
Oct 27, 2008 at 2:23 PMCan we say WAAAAAAAA !!! Remember tiregate ? He KNEW Ray Evernham was cheating when Jeff Gordon beat Mark Martin after taking only two tires about ten years ago..
Report as AbuseI say if they consider a mulligan for the chase, then they should consider it for those drivers trying to get into the chase as well.. Won't that be fun trying to add up all those points each week..
Retire Jack !! So what if you can't win fair and square !! LOL
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» Confirm Abuse ReportMark O'Brien said:
Oct 27, 2008 at 2:27 PMHow does anyone even like Jack Roush and much less Carl Edwards. This is just another slap in the face. Jason has it right you can't punish the 48 they are doing exactly what they should be doing, Like them or hate them that why everyone has been chasing them the last 3 years. Matter of fact if you go back to Talladega(Jack and Carl) if you didn't drive like a Pansy then you would be closer points. Whine whine whine that all Roush does. I wish Harvick would have Jacked your jaw and broke it then maybe we wouldn't have to hear your whining. Go take some more roids Carl it will be ok.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportSteve Elkin said:
Oct 27, 2008 at 2:52 PMWOW, well I can die now! And I liked Jack, but this is way out there!
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» Confirm Abuse Reportanonymous said:
Oct 27, 2008 at 3:05 PMTHIS HAS TO BE THE MOST ASSININE CONCEPT I'VE EVER HEARD SUGGESTED TO NASCAR. THE CAT IN THE HAT MUST HAVE HIS HAT ON TOOOOOO TIGHT. PATHETIC ATTEMPT IN HELPING HIS BOY TOY CARL.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportEric M. said:
Oct 27, 2008 at 3:08 PMJack Roush is such a pathetic whiner.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportDavid Annand said:
Oct 27, 2008 at 3:40 PMIt's silly really. Any advantage you get would be negated by everyone else taking a mulligan. That was a really thin straw he reached for.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportCallaway said:
Oct 27, 2008 at 4:09 PMJust a sad way to end a less than spectacular season if you can't beat them on the track beat them through the media. Jack it would appear for being a smart guy is beginning to exhibit crazy paranoid outhouse rat tendencies. Now how much would it surprise anyone now to have McMurray get involved in a on track incident with Johnson during a race? That would easier to explain than this bogus mulligan idea he and Huckleberry dreamed up. This is one bitter old dude who needs to move on if the sport has past him by vs tarnishing his rep with this kind of nonsense.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportWerner Boehmert said:
Oct 27, 2008 at 4:30 PMwith all that Roush has done for NASCAR and it's fans...this is what he gets for stating an opinion??...what has anyone done here?...
Report as Abusei still thenk the Chase stinks...what if a driver were to win the first 26 races...come Chase time he might not win the Championship...so why bother with points for the 1st 26?...
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» Confirm Abuse ReportTom Meier said:
Oct 27, 2008 at 4:34 PMHey Jack!! Quite whinning!! If your driver isn't good enough to win the chase the way it is, then he isn't good enough to be champion!! How do you think Jeff Gordon felt last year when he scored more than 350 points more than Jimmie Johnson and had an average finish of 7.3 compared to Jimmie's 10.8? He wasn't suggesting changing the rules. Seems like Jeff also scored more points than your Kurt Busch did when he won in 2004. Put that under your hat and think about it!!
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» Confirm Abuse ReportNASCAR FAN said:
Oct 27, 2008 at 4:35 PMTwo thumbs up for Jack Roush for speaking up on a matter that affects all race teams...but more importantly us loyal fans. We want NASCAR to be all it can be...and a "mulligan" would promote more guys going for the WIN! I am hopeful other blue chip teams like Roush Fenway, Gibbs, RCR and even Hendrick will see the value in creating a "Mulligan". The fans want edge of your seat competition...not drivers settling for 2nd best.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportThomas Mikulski said:
Oct 27, 2008 at 4:40 PMIf they were in the lead, this would never come up. Someone tell Roush this REAL racing NOT FANTASY RACING. This is where consistency comes in to play "Jack *#@"
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» Confirm Abuse ReportS Mac said:
Oct 27, 2008 at 5:08 PMIt was just a suggestion. Jeez. Hell even Ray Evernham agreed. I don't like the idea of a mulligan either and I'm a Roush/Carl fan. Funny how this was brought up last year when Gordon had such a good year and the reaction was more positive then
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» Confirm Abuse ReportKaren Barnes said:
Oct 27, 2008 at 5:11 PMRoush is basically saying, we're not good enough, can ya change the rules for us? Sad.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportgwen thompson said:
Oct 27, 2008 at 5:17 PMA MULLIGAN, hey, wannah you want. It makes no difference, CHAD AND JJ WILL STILL WIN. lol SO stop the whinning and just Talk to Carl about when he took his teammates OUT!!!!!!!!! Keep on winning 48, you guys are awesome. Junior Nation, lets get it on. It will get better. That cot is a brainteaser for many. SO next yr. 88,48,24,5........ALL WILL BE IN THE CHASE LINEUP.....
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» Confirm Abuse ReportMitchell Land said:
Oct 27, 2008 at 5:21 PMIf they're really serious about making it close, then they need to change the points structure for the chasers. They should earn 12 points for coming in ahead of the other chasers, the last chaser gets 1. Then, you can still give (smaller) bonuses, for leading a lap, leading the most, and winning (say 1 each). That way, the max any chase driver can earn in a single race is 15 points. I guarantee it'll go down to the wire at the last race each and every time.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportJohn Quigley said:
Oct 27, 2008 at 5:31 PMHeck!!!! lets just start from the beginning(like it was meant to be) ... who ever can drive the fastest!... pit the fastest!...hang on to your _ _ _!!!! you win... and even count everyone who is racing not just 12 cars.... "Big E"and "Big Bill" and Bill Jr. are probably up in heaven "laughing" at how they are trying to make this exciting.... remember Talladega .. Bill Elliott 2 laps down... under green coming back to win the race.... NOW that was racing... Johnson this weekend.... I bet his fans were going crazy.. coming from 10th to 2nd. ? try 2 -laps down..... This is crazy... also " VOTE for me!!! http://www.nascarbiggestfan.com/video.php?id=c576ff011f02 this is crazy!!!!!
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Oct 27, 2008 at 5:35 PMhttp://www.nascarbiggestfan.com/video.php?id=c576ff011f02
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Oct 27, 2008 at 5:37 PMhttp://www.nascarbiggestfan.com/video.php?id=6dd0bb66296c
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» Confirm Abuse Reportmichael knotts said:
Oct 27, 2008 at 5:45 PMAnd He said Toyato Cheats if your NOT good Enought Jack get the HELL OUT OF NASCAR.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportbeth emerson said:
Oct 27, 2008 at 5:48 PMI agree dumb remark from Roush. But as far as Jimmy goes he has not yet won the championship. Dont get me wrong I love the Hendrick team. I do however have my doubts as to why Jimmy is the only Hendrick car running well. Listen fol;ks we know cheating goes on my point I have to wonder why he is the only one in that team ruuning that well. We all know Chad has cheated in the past. I like Carl it would be great to see Jimmy have issues then maybe it would be worth watching.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportTim the Fan said:
Oct 27, 2008 at 5:50 PMHey Jack if your whineing can't get the mulligan aspect through then maybe you should suggest, oh, I don't know, maybe something like victory burnouts are worth 2 extra points. Climbing the fence or some other foolish specticle could be four points, and maybe like someone doing backflips could be 100 points. Maybe you should concentrate on winning races with talent and equiptment and not rule changes. Ask Mark Martin what should be done? He doesn't seem at all annamord with you now that he's gotten away from you.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportBill Rogers said:
Oct 27, 2008 at 5:59 PMYeesh! Resetting the points at the end of the regular season isn't enough of a mulligan for you Carl?
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» Confirm Abuse ReportTrey Perry said:
Oct 27, 2008 at 6:32 PMAll I got to say is that Jimmie Gordon, I mean Jeff Johnson, excuse me, I mean Jimmie Johnson has won another championship and probably will be compared to Cale Yarborough's 3-peat championship run that occured back in the mid 1970's. This would be like slapping Cale and Junior Johnson in the face. Jimmie may be the greatest thing since quick change rear-ends but his championship runs have been backed by endless resources from Rick Hendrick. Remember back in the day that Junior Johnson was an independent owner that beat the likes of the Petty's and Allison's three years in a row. That's a true champion and that is true racing. I'm sorry to say that is not the case with Jimmie and Rick and today's version of NASCAR racing. So don't even try to compare the two!!!!!
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» Confirm Abuse Reportgary holden said:
Oct 27, 2008 at 6:33 PMwhine whine that is all roush can do he thinks he should win every week corn cob carl is just like him . he whined about toyota having more power till nascar cut them down they have all got the same cubit inch engins if ford and chev cant get the power then go back to drawing board .david should have put the bumper to corn cob carl sat. night in the nationwide race he would have moved david if he was leading
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» Confirm Abuse Reportbill thompson said:
Oct 27, 2008 at 6:34 PMwell maybe he's saying ,you gave everybody else mulligans by resetting the points or kyle and carl would still be in it ,if your gonna say somebody wins the "season" than everybody should get the same break(you whiners don't seem to remember how far back jimmy,jeff,kevin,jr,ect were behind). grow up and quit trying to find fault without using all the facts!!!!!!!
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» Confirm Abuse ReportNancy Hall said:
Oct 27, 2008 at 7:18 PMOMG, Can't any one express an opion or sugestion with out the JR Nation or Hendrick Cry Babys getting there pantties in a bunch. I'm a big Roush, Matt Kenseth fan. I'm sure the fans of all the other drivers get tired of the same team winning.Same as when Kyle Bush was winning all the races the first part of the year. The championship has not been won yet, so dont be putting Jimmy Johnson name on that trophy just yet.
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Oct 27, 2008 at 7:37 PMI have the solution for all you folks who get tired of seeing the best win. Pick one from 43 driver's names out of a hat prior to the 2009 February Daytona race and crown him Champion! Then forget points and each driver go like hell the rest of the season!
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» Confirm Abuse ReportMichael Grogan said:
Oct 27, 2008 at 7:38 PMcome on Carl!!!!!! YOU CAN DO THIS! WE HAVE FAITH IN YOU!!
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» Confirm Abuse ReportAnonymous said:
Oct 27, 2008 at 7:39 PMThe name is spelled JIMMIE!!!!!! This is the dumbest thing I have heard of in a long time...If Mr. Ed and the Cat in the Hat want to win, they have to beat the best...and they haven't figured out how to do that yet...cry into your tissues and deal with it...you just ain't good enough....
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» Confirm Abuse ReportJo Ray said:
Oct 27, 2008 at 7:40 PMTalk about whinning, almost all these comments sound like jelous whinning. Gee, he only threw out an idea. Carl said they might not be thinking that way if they were in the opposite position. Everyone feels frustration when things happen out of their control. I would like to see less caddy remarks on things people say or do in the heat of competition. Oh yes, I think it might spice things up.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportGreen Flag said:
Oct 27, 2008 at 7:41 PMBecause in my book anyone who gets out on that track is a Champion! It take's 43 of them to entertain me. Not just one.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportCliff Cherry said:
Oct 27, 2008 at 8:01 PMBeing the statistical maniac I am, I took up the prior suggestion of a 12 to 1 points scale with 1 bonus point for a win, 2 bonus for leading the most laps, and 1 for leading a lap. The OP suggested it would "go down to the wire each time". Well maybe not - still 3 races to go, but Gimmie Jimmie has 87, The Biff has 67, and Cousin Carl has 65; considering the max points per race is 15 JJ has an even BIGGER lead than in "real life". Go figure (har!).
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» Confirm Abuse Report4da88 said:
Oct 27, 2008 at 8:46 PMI thought that was what the Chase was all about. Leveling the playing field. NASCAR has adjusted the pt system enough...Now..if they want to score by degree of difficulty by giving Carl bonus pts for his move at Kansas or deducting pts for JJ lollygagging at the back of the field at Talladega, then I am all for that. Oh come on people, I kid.
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Oct 27, 2008 at 8:56 PMThat is the stupidest thing Jack Roush has ever said. No I take that back most the stuff he says is stupid. If his drivers can't get the job done, Roush should quit whinning about it.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportCoco Suma said:
Oct 27, 2008 at 9:16 PMMan if this isn't concreate proof that Nascar fans are sheep I don't what is! Did you guys even watch post race interview they threw out a idea and know what the media spice it up a little and said gee how many Nascar fans can we get to read just the title of article and than leave a dumb comment. My only problem is I too have give in, if not only to point out the obvious a majority of fans are idiots who are so darn predictable its SAD! God I could be reading a book right now!!!!
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» Confirm Abuse ReportJim Bayliss said:
Oct 27, 2008 at 10:05 PMI agree with Mitchell, maybe not exactly on the point structure, but in that all the also rans in the chase should NOT be able to dictate so much WHO wins the championship. They might as well go back to the old way, there was more parity there.
Report as AbuseThere sure ARE a lot of whiners on here. I used to race myself and was usually in the top ten. But when it came to the end of the season you didn't have special this or special that. And the championship had nothing to do with how many or if you won at all. It was average finish for the year. THAT is the OLD way. And we can't begin to compare the current champs with the old champs. It is cubic money for sure now that wins. That was the case way back when too, but not near the degree it is now.
That includes ALL the different makes of cars.
I noticed that Jack Roush had ALL five of his drivers in the top ten this week. Did the almighty Hendricks have ALL four of theirs in there?
For all you whiners out there who say Cousin Carl and Matt and the Biff and the rest can't drive, look at the stats.
Look at the percentages, of wins, losses, top fives, etc., but also look at HOW MANY Chevs there are compared to Fords. Or How many compared to Dodges. Or Compared to Toyotas; then take THAT into consideration before making all the unfounded accusations and the putdowns of tremendously talented people; INCLUDING Jack in the Hat. Let's see HOW MANY of YOU can even begin to accomplish what HE has over the years.
'Nuff said.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportJim Shorts said:
Oct 27, 2008 at 10:56 PMThis is Nascar, Not Golf Jack. What do you say they do something about the rainouts in qualifing. Jimmy has had the pleasure of starting up front along with all the rest of the chasers, but qualifing needs to be changed. It isn't fair pre-chase or post-chase. Nor is it fair for the teams sent packing in the event rain. But a mulligan, that is talking out his crack, in other words, he is SMOKING CRAYONS!
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» Confirm Abuse ReportVincent Farino said:
Oct 27, 2008 at 10:58 PMCarl is my driver for today, jimmy is great, and right now living on a lot of luck, he gets all the polls beacause of rain and this is a joke, but one of my favorite people, Tom Lasorda, was asked, would yor rather be good or lucky, and he said LUCKY and thats what Johnson is, some day the bad luck will come
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» Confirm Abuse ReportPB said:
Oct 27, 2008 at 11:22 PMNASCAR would have to be be nuts to do this.. Is it racing or WWE Wrestling ?
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» Confirm Abuse ReportPhoenyx said:
Oct 27, 2008 at 11:45 PMWouldn't be the first time I've seen NASCAR and WWE in the same sentence. Don't know if I agree with the sentiment or not, but I can see where people would think it. Mulligan? Really, Mr. Roush? I mean... really? You'd have your boxers in a bunch if it were Edwards in the lead with Johnson in 2nd... and Hendrick recommending the same thing. In my opinion the Chase is a joke anyway. It should be like the NNS or CTS, the way it was. CTS is the most exciting of the main 3 series right now anyway. Obviously trying to close the gap with resetting isn't working, why not go back to the old way? I'm a Matt Kenseth fan, slowly becoming a David Ragan fan, and right now it pains me that they are in Roush. I have a lot of respect for a lot of things Roush has done... but this suggestion really makes me question his soundness of mind.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportBobby Clements said:
Oct 28, 2008 at 3:50 AMI think they should all draw numbers at the beginning of the race, pick whichever car they wish to drive that day. After all when the COT came along it made all cars the same. Maybe just race once in the spring and once in the fall. Talk about a fight for the trophy then. How about the fans, economy,sponsors,ticket prices. History shows the real drivers. How about driving your own car that you fix yourself and the only money you get won't pay the bills.How many of these young guns would be there? Just look at how the CEO's of our countries companies have ruined our economy and still ran away as multi-millionares.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportRobert Richardson said:
Oct 28, 2008 at 4:25 AMIf, Carl Edwards hadn't been bump drafting in turn four, then he may have had more points for the chase. I wonder why he wasn't penalized by, NASCAR for that insident. Nascar said before the race that they would not tolerate bump drafting in the turns. And now, Jack And Carl has a complant. Grow up!
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» Confirm Abuse ReportAnonymous said:
Oct 28, 2008 at 6:11 AMSheesh, would he like some cheese with that whine !!!! UGH , suck it up and deal with not being first.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportbeth emerson said:
Oct 28, 2008 at 7:09 AMListen folks I dont think either one of them is crying. They threw something out there and now you people make to much out of it. I think the chase format works most of the time but for me there is no fun when you get 1 driver that is so far in front. The chase was set up to make it more exciting for the fans and drivers well it is not fun. Most of the races in the chase have been boring.Not much fun this year maybe next year. As far as the hendrick fans being cry babies what about all of you who left these comments you are all crying so you arent any better than them.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportlori cooper said:
Oct 28, 2008 at 7:31 AMthe championship hasn't been won yet!!!! do you didn't hear jimmie crying over spilled milk a few year ago when he lost by 8points he just became more determined not to let it happen again. and i do believe they should have a second chance to qualify because of rain but how long is nascar suppose to wait to get qualifying in? as for this isn't fair and that isn't fair--life is not fair suck it up!!! none of this would be an issue if jimmie were only a few points ahead, don't punish the guy for staying cool under pressure besides being an awesome driver that is why he is where he is in the chace ON THE TOP
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» Confirm Abuse ReportMark O'Brien said:
Oct 28, 2008 at 7:35 AMAll Roush fans, i know you can trun this around anyway you want too, Point is that Jack Roush has been a whiner his whole Racing Carrer including the sport car series. They come out with this stuff and its a joke but it really is real. I don't like JJ or the HMS. If they are cheating Oh well its not like Carl and Jack have not cheated, Oil Lid cover and the unapproved Brake Cabliers that NASCAR just slapped them on the hand and said not to bring them back. The point is if the 48 is cheating then there is a statement out there if you are not cheating your not trying. You know Jack and his orginazation are doing the same stuff, if you don't believe this then carwl out form under the rock your under.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportMark O'Brien said:
Oct 28, 2008 at 7:55 AMRoush face it you can not win it, that is why mark martin is going to HMS to try to win a Championship. So that slaps you in the face and Mark is telling you that your team is just midcore. You win the race and then in victory lane you want to Whine how nice. Matt Kennseth will be gone at the end of next year too that is why McRat is not gone this year when you had an offer to buy out his contract.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportTOMMY HARRIS said:
Oct 28, 2008 at 8:27 AMIF CARL THE JUICE MAN WAS NOT SO DUMB-MIGHT NOT NEED A MULIGAN-REMEMBER DEGA DUMB BOY
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» Confirm Abuse ReportMike Bryant said:
Oct 28, 2008 at 8:39 AMSay it ain't so, Jack! what a whiner. Just like the rest of his umpteen teams.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportliz labroska said:
Oct 28, 2008 at 8:46 AMHell, I say Nascar forget the "chase" and go back to racing the way it used to be. It's so dull anymore. Look at the truck and Nationwide racing, both close in point's and no "chase" to contend with!!!!
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» Confirm Abuse ReportArt Sheeler said:
Oct 28, 2008 at 10:02 AMJim Bayliss had some decent and logical things to say. All you other HENDRICK' HEROS lovers give us a break. I heard you screaming your heads off when when Matt K won the championship,saying it should be the person with the most wins that is the champion. It sure is amazing how Hendricks Hero Johnson is the leader with 6 WINS, 14 TOP 5s, and 21 TOP 10s, with $6,550,440 winnings Cousin Carl Has 7 WINS, 16 TOP 5s,24 TOP 10S,with $6,710,870 winnings. It sure is amazing how things can be switched around to make "HH" Jimmy to be the hero when we all know who the real hero is. Remember Its your own words THE PERSON WITH THE MOST WINS THAT SHOULD BE CHAMP.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportFlying Squirrel said:
Oct 28, 2008 at 10:14 AMif the fans want exciting racing, every week and no BS mulligan ideas like Roush just opined, it should be the 36 race season with the person that wins the most races crowned as champion. to hell with the points, you get 1 point for a win and all the rest are losers. I guarantee more excitement in each race as drivers are forced to come to the front!
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» Confirm Abuse ReportRenee Nash said:
Oct 28, 2008 at 10:16 AMI must agree with Liz, the "Chase" format has been rather boring. We basically have had the 1st half of the chase exciting. Then by the last 5 races, you narrow it down to basically 4 teams that have a shot for the title. Same as last year. If your favorite driver doesn't have a few good first races then by halfway thru it's pretty much over for them. And no, I'm not a Kyle Busch fan! Also, it is nice to get media coverage on the chase guys, but there are 43 other drivers out there too, and it's like if they're not in the chase after 26 races they're basically nobodies. Like don't do this or don't do that, this guy isn't a chase driver so he shouldn't try to win? I was hoping some of the non chase drivers could shake things up a little bit and make it more interesting. I will still watch, but I'm not really wild about any of the top 3 winning, I would have liked to see Jeff Burton perhaps, but Jimmie's head is too big as it is.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportRandy Mueller said:
Oct 28, 2008 at 10:24 AMOK, let's quit bashing people !!! It was just a suggestion! REMEMBER FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!!
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» Confirm Abuse ReportPB said:
Oct 28, 2008 at 11:00 AMI agree that I don't like the chase either.. Its racing sometimes the points are going to be close sometimes they not it all depends on the year not the format. As for luck we've been in Racing for a long time and most of the time you make your own good or bad luck.. Once in awhile something just happens but more often than not if something fails it has to do with your preparation and/or construction.
Report as AbuseThe problem is that racing at all levels have become less about racing and the Teams and Drivers skill and more about entertainment. We have actually had people tell us a track that the race was lousy because there weren't enough wrecks. I wonder how they would feel about that if that had to fix the cars let alone worry about their Driver getting hurt.
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Oct 28, 2008 at 12:14 PMWaaaaa!?!?!? The most, absurd thing, I have ever heard of!!! Stop crying and start finishing! If, anyone should be crying, it should be Kyle Busch. Stop your whining!!!
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» Confirm Abuse ReportMarie Edwards said:
Oct 28, 2008 at 12:25 PMIf I remember correctly, when
Report as Abusen Cale Yarborough won 3 championships in a row--NO ONE THOUGHT TO CHANGE THE FORMAT THEN, NOW DID THEY???
Seriously. Cale won 76, 77 & 78. No one cried back then, not even the late Dale Earnhardt (Big "E"). It was racing--a MAN'S sport, they dealt with it, and moved on.
NASCAR waited 27 years before changing the format, and that was after one of Roush's own drivers won too. (Did Roush forget that??)
Matt Kenseth was lucky & consistent, he won. End of story, end of that era.
Then, comes the chase, where you have to be consistently "consistent". Now, another young driver is set, and MIGHT (hopefully) win 3-in-a-row, and now the chase is flawed.
The driver with the most wins SHOULDN'T win. No other sport does that. Not at all. If the Lakers won every game, BUT the playoffs, would they be champs?? (No I am not a Lakers fan). What about pro-football, baseball?? Take the New England Patriots, went into the SuperBowl undefeated--they lost.
Now that we're used to the chase, don't change it. Wait 27 years like they did with Cale.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportMarie Edwards said:
Oct 28, 2008 at 12:33 PMHere is another thing to consider::: If NASCAR were to give out more points, and more bonuses, again they would be favoring a driver and we'd be hopping mad about that. If they changed it to give it to the driver with the most wins, more favoritism.
Report as AbuseRemember earlier this year we were all bashing on Kyle Busch?? Well, most everyone.... Now, where is he?? He fell to the bottom. Without the chase, would he have fallen even further?? Likely so. He abused his equipment in the beginning, and now that it is "recycled", he is having bad finishes. Jimmie raced his equipment a little more gently, and he's winning. Believe it or not those cars that finish good, are cycled through back at the shops. As with every "points" based system, consistency is rewarded. You dont see Golf changing their rules; think of the other golfers who were getting upset with Tiger Woods ALWAYS winning (and I don't even like Golf). There is always a good and bad side to things. We take it and deal with it, and that is life.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportTracy McKay said:
Oct 28, 2008 at 12:51 PMI am a new Nascar fan.(Since the Allstar race in May) It is my new obsession, but I am obviously still trying to learn more. I am a little confused about the double standard that exists. Perhaps it is based on driver's actions in previous years that I have not seen? For example, if Kyle Busch (who has the biggest reason to want a mulligan after an awesome season) had made this "suggestion" there would have been 25,000 comments bashing him. Since it was "gentleman" Carl, there are still people defending him. If Kyle had been the cause of the wreck in Talledaga a hate mob would be out to get him, yet Carl simply made a "dumb move"? When one driver bumps another out of the way to take the lead, they are wreckless and arrogant, yet when another driver bumps Denny Hamlin out of the way, it is simply good, hard driving? I hear everyone talking about how arrogant & horrible Kyle Busch is, yet on a pre-race show JR Nation booed him the entire time he was being interviewed, until he he was talking about Jr. nearly running over his pit crew, then JR Nation started cheering?! Kyle Busch is the immature one? I am not saying anything bad about Dale Jr. I'm sure the guy has oodles of talent. I just can't believe some of the actions of some of his fans. I think it is great to have passion for the sport and to support your team whether they are winning or not. I am not trying to be sarcastic or mean. I truly am trying to figure out why this is. Like I said I am new to the sport so I guess I will learn more about it in the years to come.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportMarie Edwards said:
Oct 28, 2008 at 1:08 PMTracy, believe it or not, fans have their favorite drivers, and some of those fans feel their driver can do no wrong, and seem to shun other drivers. Other fans have a more "middle of the road" approach. The drivers can not control that aspect. Also, it's how the drivers "conduct" themselves during a lose or win--their attitude. And Dale Jr inherited a lot of his father's rowdy race fans. I guess it stems down to going to a race to see your 1 and only FAVORITE driver, then he gets taken out and you feel cheated because of how expensive everything is. Unlike, when I go, I go to see all my favorites, and even if one does make a bonehead move, I tend to think "what would I have done in the same situation"?? There is either a lack of respect or great respect with regards to drivers. Hard to explain though.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportTracy McKay said:
Oct 28, 2008 at 1:15 PMThanks Marie. It is so refreshing to hear such a sensible and level headed answer to my questions! I really appreciate it!
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Oct 28, 2008 at 1:22 PMNot a problem, Tracy, you're quite welcome. And welcome to the wonderful, entertaining and sometimes silly world of NASCAR. And, thank you for the compliment.
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Oct 28, 2008 at 1:24 PMI am a middle of the road fan, and love all my favorites dearly and admit sometimes they do have a little bad judgment. Then again, I often ask "would I have done anything differently myself"?? Some fans tend to forget the drivers are as human as their fans--even more so when you consider driving is their job. Most of the fans have other jobs. And what nearly all fans fail to consider is if the drivers don't perform they lose their rides in the same ways we would lose our jobs if we didn't perform--no matter what the job is.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportSharon Ellison said:
Oct 28, 2008 at 3:21 PMActually Jack, that might be "cutting your nose off to spite your face"!
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Oct 28, 2008 at 6:40 PMHeh, reminds me of when Gordon would have won the Cup Championship under the old points system. Lots of Gordon's fans sounded bitter then as Jack does now.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportJim Bayliss said:
Oct 28, 2008 at 10:29 PMI personally don't think Jack sounds bitter at all. He was just throwing out a good idea, that some will like and others won't.
Report as AbuseI have respected Jack since the early seventies. I have been Photographer of the Year, many times here in Wisconsin, but I do not consider myself anywhere nearly as successful as Jack has been and still is in racing, performance and as a businessman. Not even close. I don't know any of you, but I would venture to say that NONE of you are close to being as successful as he has been either.
I guess people just like to complain, eh? I agree with those of you who think it is sad and dispicable how gross the Junior Nation is at races. Don't get me wrong, I like Junior. It was his father and HIS outlook on life and treatment of people that I didn't like.
But even with that all said, I was happy for him when he won the Daytona 500 after all those years of trying.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportDonnie Sessions said:
Oct 29, 2008 at 12:23 PMIf you're going to have a "Mulligan", like in figure skating, you throw out a top score and a bottom score. What would that do for the standings? Carl would have to discard a win and the 33rd at Charlotte.
Report as AbuseHere's a suggestion, the fastest qualifyer gets 43 points, second gets 42, and so on down the line to the 43rd qualifyer who gets one point. Winner of the race gets 43 points, second gets 42, and so on down the line. One point for leading a lap, two for leading the most. Just my 2¢...
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