Scrambling continues for owners points as drivers seek Daytona 500 starting spots
By Bob Pockrass - Associate Editor
Monday, February 02, 2009
Will Richard Childress Racing's Clint Bowyer (left), Penske Racing's Sam Hornish Jr. (center) and Phoenix Racing's Brad Keselowski be locked into the Daytona 500?
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Brad Keselowski, driving for Phoenix Racing, is expected to be locked into the field for the Daytona 500, and there could be others also guaranteed starting spots in the opening NASCAR Sprint Cup races as various points transfers are being talked about as teams outside the top 35 in owners points try to secure those positions.
NASCAR has been quiet on the issue of who is getting whose points because it is still accepting entries for the Daytona 500, but it appears that drivers who once thought they could be locked in – most notably AJ Allmendinger at Richard Petty Motorsports – will end up having to qualify on speed for the first five races of the season when the 2008 owners standings are used to set the field.
Keselowski will be locked in, according to multiple sources. And among those who could be looking for points are Penske Racing driver Sam Hornish Jr. and Richard Childress Racing’s Clint Bowyer, who is moving to a different RCR team this season.
NASCAR does not allow a team to sell points outright but generally will approve offseason transfers as long as the original owner has some sort of ownership stake in the car going forward.
Some of the switches have already been announced: Paul Menard (No. 98) and Bobby Labonte (No. 96) are getting the two Yates Racing points from the Nos. 28 and 38 last year.
There are three cars with top-35 owners whose assignments have not been announced.
One of those is the No. 22 from Bill Davis Racing and the other two are from Dale Earnhardt Inc. and Chip Ganassi Racing. When the DEI and Ganassi teams merged, they had six cars with top-35 owners points.
Three of those from the merger will go to the three Earnhardt Ganassi cars driven by Martin Truex Jr. (No. 1), Juan Pablo Montoya (No. 42), and Aric Almirola (No. 8). That leaves the No. 15, No. 01 and the No. 41 from last year.
As part of an alignment with Front Row Motorsports, driver John Andretti will have one of those remaining three, Andretti said. Most likely that would come from the No. 15.
The other two are possibly up for grabs, although it would take some maneuvering because technically no one owner – Chip Ganassi or Teresa Earnhardt – can have a financial interest in more than five teams (four, plus one for up to seven races for an aspiring rookie looking to run a full season in the future).
Keselowski would count as an aspiring rookie.
That would fill one of the three remaining unaccounted for top-35 spots. As far as the other two, Hornish and Bowyer seem to be the most likely possibilities.
When asked last week if Penske Racing was attempting to get owners points from the No. 22 Bill Davis Racing entry, a Penske Racing spokesman said that the team is “exploring all of our options.”
Bowyer needs points since the No. 07 points stayed with the car and new driver Casey Mears while Bowyer is moving to a fourth RCR car (No. 33). An RCR spokesman said he couldn’t confirm if Bowyer has secured points.
Drivers who are waiting to see what will happen are those who were 36th or 37th overall in points last year. They would be locked in the first five races if one of the top-35 car owners doesn’t end up with some sort of association at Daytona.
In 36th last year was the JTG Daugherty Racing No. 47 car of Marcos Ambrose, which has an alliance with Michael Waltrip Racing. In 37th would be Richard Petty Motorsports’ No. 10, which is turning into the No. 44 driven by AJ Allmendinger.
Allmendinger, who originally thought he was going to be in the 500 and now most likely won’t be locked in, also could lose a spot in the Budweiser Shootout if Hornish can get top-35 points and be one of the top six Dodges in the field.
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Trouble in TURN 3 said:
Feb 2, 2009 at 3:28 PMLet's go Brad!Poor AJ pullmyfinger,the hits just keep coming but the kid has perserverance!Hornish needs to give it up and go back to open wheel while there's some dignity left.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportPat Draper said:
Feb 2, 2009 at 4:07 PMDon't throw Hornish under the bus yet. I think he really wants to make it in nascar and given the time I think he can. As for AJ thats life suck it up boy. If he's as good as some think he is he won't have any problems getting in the races on speed, if not then i guess he isn't. Racing today is nothing like it use to be or should be. This idea of getting other peoples points just is not right. You should have to take what you get, no trading.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportChazzo Ozzahc said:
Feb 2, 2009 at 4:17 PMAJ has that fire, stinks he wont be locked into the 500. I agree Turn 3, Hornish needs to pack it up in NASCAR.
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Feb 2, 2009 at 4:32 PMThey need to stop all this nonsense and go back to racing in the twin 150's to see who gets in and starts where.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportcarole penrod said:
Feb 2, 2009 at 4:38 PMI don't get it. Where are the points coming from that will lock Brad Keselowski into the top 35? If he does lock in, he is definately my pick for rookie of the year.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportBob Pomeroy said:
Feb 2, 2009 at 4:48 PMThe whole idea of buying and selling owner's points to secure a spot on the grid is ludicrous. Owner's points just don't mean much if you have deep pockets.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportBob Pomeroy said:
Feb 2, 2009 at 4:51 PMThe whole idea of buying and selling owner's points to secure a spot on the grid is ludicrous. Owner's points just don't mean much if you have deep pockets. I support going back to the twin 150's to make that determination -- at least for the Daytona if not universally, which would pose some problems. The Daytona 500 does not need to provide security for the cost of entering.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportChelsea said:
Feb 2, 2009 at 4:54 PMI thought the 41 and the 15's points were just going to be absorbed by the other teams (the 47 and 44), since they're not going to be in use. Where did Phoenix Racing get the points if they weren't even in the top 35 last year?
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» Confirm Abuse ReportRobert Marley said:
Feb 2, 2009 at 5:14 PM.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportRobert Marley said:
Feb 2, 2009 at 5:16 PMThis doesn't make sense. Seems like the good old boy network is full steam ahead. Phoenix Racing? Where is the loyalty to the teams that foot the bill and run every week?
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» Confirm Abuse ReportBill McGee said:
Feb 2, 2009 at 5:17 PMYeah what Ol' Bob said, what waterhead at NA$CAR got rich off of this scheme??
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» Confirm Abuse ReportRobert Marley said:
Feb 2, 2009 at 5:19 PMI am sure someone got a new boat/car out of the deal. Probably a Chevy. Good thing the the government gave the automakers $20 billion.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportHoward Englishman said:
Feb 2, 2009 at 5:37 PMCarole, Brad is not running but a few races this year. As far as a car count, as of today were up to 56 cars tryin to get into the 500.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportWerner Boehmert said:
Feb 2, 2009 at 5:54 PMbecause of the qualifying format of running races to get into the big show...the top 35 format should not be used...what's the point of racing for 7-8 spots?...
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» Confirm Abuse ReportMr Galvan said:
Feb 2, 2009 at 8:55 PMI think hornish should leave nascar this year, and give his ride to justin alliagier.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportJozef Colomy said:
Feb 2, 2009 at 9:21 PMWell isn't it obvious to everyone? Keselowski is "Jr's guy", hence he gets anything he wants. This is ridiculous, a lot of people busted their butts to try and get into the top-35 last season but someone can just walk in and take it without even having driven last season since they're "Jr's little buddy"?
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» Confirm Abuse ReportAndrew Briscoe said:
Feb 2, 2009 at 10:08 PMYou know, I really thought NASCAR would actually stick to their word. They said that the teams who don't show up at the race will have their owners points dropped for that race; the top 35 that show up to the race will be the ones guaranteed to race. They also said that the two DEI teams that closed shop would just have their owners points disappear- like what happened when DEI/Ginn merged and Paul Menard's points just disappeared when he got the points of the defunct #14. I know it's huge if Junior's driver doesn't make it into the 500- I like Brad and think he'll be a good driver in Cup- but I don't get why the 09 that raced a whole like 8 races last year would get priority over a team like the #47 or #77 that ran full time last year. Let's do what happens in the mergers that result in too many teams: the points from the teams that stop racing just disappear. I would much rather see Sam Hornish, AJ Allmendinger and Marcos Ambrose be locked in than three teams that just got points transferred to them.
Report as AbuseI don't see this being allowed so close to the shootout for some reason. It'd really be a huge blow to the teams that get knocked out of the shootout by something like this.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportStephan Hanford said:
Feb 2, 2009 at 10:45 PMCould I please wait for the English trannslation of the whole mess brfore venturing an opinion?
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» Confirm Abuse ReportRob Lemons said:
Feb 2, 2009 at 11:02 PMJust like the new nascar, all about the money. Nascar is loosing die-hard fans because of things like this. Nascar is heading the way of 'Cart' indy cars and in 10 years will be fighting for it life. I know their loosing me and many of my friends.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportcharlie bray said:
Feb 2, 2009 at 11:18 PMI have been of the opinion that every car who pays their entry fee should have to qualify on speed. NASCAE, you need to get rid of this BS of the top 35. Just my opinion!
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» Confirm Abuse ReportRob Turner said:
Feb 3, 2009 at 1:39 AMI agree with you Jozef. AJ Allmendinger has more talent in his pinkie than Keselowski. But the good ole boy network is showing....How bad for NASCAR would it be for an Indy car guy to come in and boot Sadler from his ride? OF course NASCAR wants keselowski to succeed vs Allmendinger...only an idiot would disagree.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportJesse Christensen said:
Feb 3, 2009 at 7:04 AMI'm actually suprised that NASCAR has not wavered on the "only 4 teams rule" to make Jack happy and to allow Hendrick to bring on Brad as a 5th team. Only because of the economy of course!
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» Confirm Abuse ReportHoward Englishman said:
Feb 3, 2009 at 8:17 AMJesse, The 4 team rule goes in effect in 2010, Jack was allowed to keep his 5 teams till the end of 09. Any team can have a 5th part time team if he is a rookie coming up to the Cup level.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportJesse Christensen said:
Feb 3, 2009 at 10:32 AMI know Jack can have his five teams until the end of the season, but he is already whining for them to change it. So if they did it would allow Hendrick 5 full time teams. Thus another arm of Junior Nation! I can't wait.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportSheldon Miller said:
Feb 3, 2009 at 10:32 AMHere's a potential move: Finch can form a 'technical alliance' with EGR and use the points from the 41. Keslowski can be their 'aspiring rookie' in the 5th car for the Daytona 500, and since I believe Front Row's deal is only for the 500, EGR would be back down to 4 cars for California forward: (1,8,42,09). If I'm wrong and Front Row's deal with EGR extends beyond Daytona then forget everything I just said...
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» Confirm Abuse ReportRoy Hillman said:
Feb 3, 2009 at 11:17 AMNot that anyone will take any notice ... but I just wish there was some semblance of fairness to this.
Report as AbuseFirst given the Ganassi / Earnhardt merger, I don't see how anyone could justify six of their teams continuing, so hoping Nascar sticks to its original word and lets those two lapse - which then should lock in the 36th and 37th teams from last year - the 47 that was 00 for most of last year, and the 44 (last years 10).
Really unsure how fair it is letting Yates swap points with Hall of Fame Racing and letting the 96 be locked in - ideally I think they should be made to use the points for the 28.
Triad Racing aren't planning to run the 22 which they took over. If the Yates/Hall of Fame deal is allowed, I could see some justification for one of the teams they are supplying engine/chassis to being allowed to take over the points as there's a clear link - but they might not want to favour one of their customers over another. If their points lapsed, I think they should go to the 38th team from last year, which is the Penske No 77 of Sam Hornish.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportRobert Marley said:
Feb 3, 2009 at 1:28 PMHow does a non-driving talentless person such as Sam Hornish end up in the top 35 when he himself put himself out of the top 35? I am thinking back to Homestead last year where he dropped himself out of the top 35 by pooching qualifying? Why are people like this rewarded?
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» Confirm Abuse ReportHelen Lambke said:
Feb 3, 2009 at 3:56 PMI've just about had it with NASCAR. If Ambrose and Allmendinger have to qualify while twits like Jeremy Mayfield and other buy their way into the top 35 I will be gone. We had already decided we were not going to go to any races although we could afford to do so, but if they mess up this top 35 points and don't let the points go to the next ones down the line that raced last year, I will definitely say "so long NASCAR"
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» Confirm Abuse ReportRobert Marley said:
Feb 3, 2009 at 4:05 PMRight on Helen. I feel the same way. This sport is making the folks on wall street look honest.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportHoward Englishman said:
Feb 3, 2009 at 7:39 PMThey wont have to worry about the top 35 after Daytona because their will only be 35 cars left after Daytona.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportTrouble in TURN 3 said:
Feb 3, 2009 at 10:02 PMen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Racing
Report as Abusecheck it out so see where the points might come from.For fun just look at all the drivers and compare where they are today not years ago and tell me one that is a better fit than Keselowski.
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