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Rea White: Shorter races would serve everyone well
By Rea White - Associate Editor
Sunday, December 21, 2008
COMMENTARY
A lot has been made of the potential for smaller fields in the NASCAR Sprint Cup Series in 2009. While that is certainly a valid source of concern, there is one thing in NASCAR that could use some trimming – the length of races.
Some of the series races seem to be rather long, something that does nothing to enhance competition within an event. It would be hard to argue against shortening any event in NASCAR, though the length of some could be unchanged without altering the impact of those races. It wouldn’t be right to trim them all, though.
But it appears that many of the 500-mile events – excepting the Daytona 500 as a nod to tradition – could be trimmed 50 to 100 miles with no negative impact. In fact, the argument can be made that it could actually enhance the fans’ experience.
One might think people would feel cheated if they paid the same money for less racing, but I don’t believe that would be the case. A strong argument could be made that less would actually be more in racing, that allowing fewer laps in the event could actually enhance the competition within it.
I think fans would be as willing, if not more so, to buy tickets for races that might feature more action earlier in the event. I think television advertisers would be willing to pay a bit more for spots knowing that the racing action will be tighter and that fans will view the entire race. It’s common now for fans to write letters to publications stating they only tune in for the final portion of a race, anyway, knowing that’s when the action will start.
So why not shorten a few races? Not to pick on any track, but there are some where the drivers themselves question why the event isn’t a bit shorter, some that last well beyond the three-hour mark on a regular basis. Certainly time constraints shouldn’t be the key consideration when determining race lengths, but why not consider the pace of the event?
With less laps to work with, drivers would need to move to the front of the field at a faster rate, the pace would increase and the middle stretches where the field strings out would be shorter in length and more costly for those losing pace in that segment.
The sense of urgency would increase, the lulls would decrease and the overall product just might be enhanced – something that would benefit NASCAR and all of its partners.
Clearly, it’s not as simple as saying that races should be shorter and then just cutting laps here and there. But it’s certainly something worth considering – and a step that could enhance racing for everyone.
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Steve C said:
Dec 21, 2008 at 12:03 PMShorter races, Hmmmm, I tend to agree with you to a degree. Most of the races at cookie cutter tracks could be cut to say 400 miles. Now quite a few of these races are 400 miles, tracks like Daytona and Talladega need to remain the same. Races at the short tracks like Martinsville need to remain at 500 laps, due to the action starts at the first lap and continues to the final lap.
Report as AbuseCost savings would not be much, The entertainment factor would not be much different at the shortened cookie cutter tracks. Teams start their move forward during the final 100 laps where ever they race, so the only difference would be they would start their move forward 150 miles sooner. You would still have the same problem as we do now, the real racing would just tart a few laps earlier. Basically it would be same thing different day.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportWilliam Olson said:
Dec 21, 2008 at 12:07 PMShortening a race will bring action sooner just due to the lack of 100 miles. They will follow the leader for 100 less miles that is it.
Report as AbuseCHANGE THE POINT SYSTEM! Ya win, ya get a point. The most wins, the champion. Simple as that.
But even with this scenario, they would most likely still follow the leader until the last 50 laps.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportWilliam Olson said:
Dec 21, 2008 at 12:08 PMDang Steve, ya said the same thing as I was typing!
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» Confirm Abuse ReportRich Richardson said:
Dec 21, 2008 at 12:10 PMLong races are not the problem. The failure of NASCAR to come up with a competitive car is the problem. Which is why people tune to the last laps recently. A shorter race would be just follow the leader also.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportwayne lesesne, sr said:
Dec 21, 2008 at 12:18 PMWhoa up there Missy. After all the changes NASCAR has undergone, now ya wanna go an' make mo changes that will mean less for more. If I pay $100 to see a 500 miler, and it's shortend to 400 miles, will I only pay $80 for the race????? Didn't think so. Leave well enough along. Dictator Brian France has made more than enough changes as it is.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportGary Nagelsmith said:
Dec 21, 2008 at 12:35 PMI go to 2 - 5 races per year. Depending on where that race is, it could cost between $500 to $1,200 per person when you include tickets, food, beverages, lodging, transportation and souvenirs. Even if they were to drop the price of the ticket for the shorter races, I won't be attending them. I will NOT be spending all that money to go see a two hour race. NO WAY!!! NASCAR is worried about attendance now. Ya, lets see how attendance is if they make changes like that!!!
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» Confirm Abuse ReportGary Nagelsmith said:
Dec 21, 2008 at 12:39 PMA few years ago, Dale Jr. said that he would like to see all of the races shortened. I was wondering if he was willing to take a smaller salary too! If he doesn't race as much, then he shouldn't get paid as much!!!
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» Confirm Abuse ReportWerner Boehmert said:
Dec 21, 2008 at 12:40 PMwhy would smaller fields dictate less laps?...and i fully agree with the others here that it would not bring more racing...just a different strategy...how about a fuel limit, tire limit and points for only the top 12 finishers seeing as we're going to have smaller fields the top 35 may not be necessary...
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» Confirm Abuse ReportAnonymous said:
Dec 21, 2008 at 12:45 PMI enjoy the truck races, but I remember going to one in person at Texas. It seemed as if the race were over before we got settled in. I would not be in favor of shortened races. You could deep six the road courses and have a maximum of one race per year at the cookie cutter tracks, though.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportGary Nagelsmith said:
Dec 21, 2008 at 12:59 PMFor those of you who don't like the road courses, I have one thing to say, you need to see one live before you pass judgment. I thought the same until I went to see one at Watkins Glen. I have not missed a Cup race there since. It is some of the greatest racing you will ever see. And since the drivers aren't used to turning right, there is all kinds of action.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportGladys Bedwell said:
Dec 21, 2008 at 1:09 PMI think some of the 500 miles races should be shortened to 400 but not at the short tracks. Whether or not they should lower the cost of a ticket, I couldn't say cause I don't have the opportunity to go to races. They need to ask the fans if they would continue to go to races for the same amount of money. I know one thing NASCAR best not do, and that is raise the price and lower the length. They probably wouldn't do that in the first year out but can almost bet it wouldn't take long before they do.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportGlenn Heard said:
Dec 21, 2008 at 1:47 PMI say to leave the length of the races alone. First we have to have identical cookie cutter tracks, then we have to have identical cars (cot)and now we are to have identical lengths. Why don't we just rename Nascar to IROC for once and all and forget it!!
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» Confirm Abuse ReportDouglas Messer said:
Dec 21, 2008 at 2:09 PMThe people that keep harping on shorter races are the ones like reporters and drivers that dont have to save up all year just to be able to afford to get to go to a race.When you drive for 6 hours and spend 2 or 3 thousand dollars, you want every second and every lap that you pay for. Drivers,which are millionares and reporters,which never have to pay for a race ticket should be the very ones not complaining.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportbill thompson said:
Dec 21, 2008 at 2:19 PMwell said #12. how about giving the top 5 lap leaders points(no 5 for leading a lap) say 10 for the mostthen 6,4,2,1. that should stop the follow the leader some. give the lucky dog to the FASTEST lap(s) down car so they have to race hard.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportANDY GRAY said:
Dec 21, 2008 at 2:24 PMOK, here we go...I think you've busted one of my nerves. You want shorter races? Watch the Nationwide or Camping World series'. I think you'll find what you're looking for there. Leave the Cup series alone. The Daytona 450? Yah, OK. While you're at it, I say you might as well lobby to make baseball games shorter. 162 game season at 3 hours each. Cup 36 race season at 3.5 hours each. Shall I do the math on that? We can also shorten bowling to 8 frames, football and basketball to 3 quarters, hockey to 2 periods. Heck, lets even change golf to umm, 15 holes. I have an excellent idea. You don't like it, don't watch it! I have been a proud fan of NASCAR for over 25 years and to have someone like you make outrageous statements such as that, makes me sick.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportSally Baker said:
Dec 21, 2008 at 2:47 PMOh yeah. Let television, which has dictated later start times (so the left coasters can watch at the time the majority of race fans were used to watching)start telling us how long the races can last? All these new ideas (like the chase, the lucky dog and top 25 rule) have been such great ideas, pushing Nascar racing and attendance even higher, right? I don't know how many more of these racing can survive.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportRoger Brown said:
Dec 21, 2008 at 3:25 PMI attend 5 Sprint Cup races a year. I am not in favor of shortening any of the races. This is in my opinion, a big part of the overall competition factor. The teams have to build a car that not only is fast and handles good. But, also one that will go the distance. You may have the fastest car there all weekend. But, if it cannot go 500 laps or miles, depending on what track you are at. Then someone else is going to win. Maybe it is a really hot day. The driver that was the best earlier is not as good now. Not because of his team or equipment. But, because of the fatigue factor. All this is part of the competition. The ones that benefit from shorter events. Are the track promoters, drivers, teams, and NASCAR. The ones that lose are the fans. Less racing and no break on ticket prices.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportBill Strobel said:
Dec 21, 2008 at 3:58 PMWhy is it when people talk about shortening races only the fan needs to make the sacrifice, same money for a shorter race. If the problem is that the races are too long then assign a percentage reduction in length, matched by an equal percentage reduction in ticket prices, matched by an equal reduction in the purse, matched by an equal reduction in the end of year points fund payout, and lets see how long NASCAR and the drivers keep pushing for a reduction in the length of races.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportOLD_GUY said:
Dec 21, 2008 at 3:59 PMIt' Christmas week and there is absolutely NO news on the NASCAR front.
Report as AbuseWhat to write about?
Shorter races! Yea, that's the deal.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportDonnie Sessions said:
Dec 21, 2008 at 4:08 PMShorter races? OK, then give me shorter lines of traffic waiting to get into a parking area 1/2 mile away from the the track, shorter lines at the turnstiles while we're being frisked and degraded, shorter ticket prices, shorter lines and prices at concession stands, ($4.00 for a bottle of water available at any supermarket for around $4.00 a CASE! Shortening races at tracks such as Michigan and California would change them from The Boring 500 to The Boring 400, do it!! I've already shortened my races, I record them to DVD and fast forward through the ridiculous bunch of commercials and it shortens my races by nearly an hour!! Shorten them a little more and I can put two races on each disc...
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» Confirm Abuse Reportkeith yocum said:
Dec 21, 2008 at 4:47 PMRea I think you got your answer. If you think I'm going through all the b.s. getting to the track for a 2 hr race your nuts. The problem is not the race length it is all the yellow laps after a wreck or debris or bogus yellow its 2 laps to bunch the field to open pit road 1 laps to pit leaders and 1 lap for lapped cars 2 laps to go green at a 2.5 mile track it takes 10 minutes and at a short track it takes 10 laps. Pit road should always be open like it used to be unless a wreck was on it or blocking it.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportAaron Wenzel said:
Dec 21, 2008 at 4:47 PMOne Word----- POCONO!!!!
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» Confirm Abuse ReportNancy Hall said:
Dec 21, 2008 at 5:00 PMDito to what Rich said.
Report as AbuseMerry Christmas.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportMarybeth Wallick said:
Dec 21, 2008 at 7:40 PMWhen the subject of making the Pocono races shorter comes up, Kenny Wallace always says that it will never happen because...the track owners make money on the fans going back to the concession stands for a couple more beers in the last 100 miles. Marybeth
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» Confirm Abuse ReportTeema H. said:
Dec 21, 2008 at 8:29 PMIf they ever decide to shorten a race,(or races,) then caution laps shouldn't be counted off as laps...Just start the races at a decent time...Starting at 3 or 4 o'clock leaves a hell of a lot to be desired,for most fans.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportron mays said:
Dec 21, 2008 at 10:36 PMmaybe you should go to the track and watch the race, instead of watching the race on tv. you can see plenty of racing that the tv boys usually don't show. Shorten races, NO, pay lap bonus YES. Then see who races. If it si for the almighty POINTS so be it. Or let it be for the money. Better racing all around that way.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportAnonymous said:
Dec 22, 2008 at 12:18 AMDon't worry so much about the length of the races. Worry about the quality of races. Tracks like Pocono, Michigan and California are major snoozers for fans not at the track. Kansas and Chicago aren't much better. The drivers want shorter races because they're soft and spoiled.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportJohn Bloom said:
Dec 22, 2008 at 1:49 AMI can tell you this. I won't pay the same for less. Period. Make the race shorter? Sure why not, I don't mind traveling 1100 miles for a 2 hour race...
Report as AbuseNASCAR... It's all about money...
Maybe the Daytona 500 should be a 50 lap race. That should be long enough for us diehard fans...
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» Confirm Abuse ReportJohn Bloom said:
Dec 22, 2008 at 1:53 AMI can tell you this. I won't pay the same for less. Period. Make the race shorter? Sure why not, I don't mind traveling 1100 miles for a 2 hour race...
Report as AbuseNASCAR... It's all about money...
Maybe the Daytona 500 should be a 50 lap race. That should be long enough for us diehard fans...
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» Confirm Abuse ReportRobert Porter said:
Dec 22, 2008 at 9:52 AMHere we go again. Another "shorten the race" article from a guy who gets to see all the races (for free).If it's that boring I'll change jobs with you and suffer through every Sunday at the track.
Report as AbuseWhy don't we just draw straws for finishing position and forget the racing altogether.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportchris welch said:
Dec 22, 2008 at 11:51 AMi would even like to see some of the races be longer. but i think the answer is awarding more points for winning and leading laps. if the winner got 50 more points than 2nd and the top 4 lap leaders got 25,20,15, and 10 bonus points, it would lead to more racing up front and less stroking that they all learned from mark martin.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportKeith Johnson said:
Dec 22, 2008 at 12:29 PMI have seen road races. You have no clue who is in what position as you only see them for a few seconds a lap. Get rid of road races and all 1 1/2 mile boring tracks and MAYBE the fans will come back. Only a few races are to long so just leave it alone. Brian has changed so much in the last few years he has run off all the diehard fans and I said it four years ago it would kill the crowns and it has. Now NASCAR is back to playing rock and country music at it's races instead of the teenage music but it's to late NASCAR and Brian France.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportKeith Johnson said:
Dec 22, 2008 at 12:40 PMIt took years for Bill France to make NASCAR what is was and only took Brian France a few years to ruin it!
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» Confirm Abuse ReportKaren said:
Dec 22, 2008 at 2:57 PMI think we should leave the races the way they are. We have a great system, why cheat the fans and advertisers out of the air time they paid for? I think we should add a few more right turns to the circut. Have Richard Petty, Rusty Wallace, or Derrall Waltrip run a race! Now THAT would bring some publicity!
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» Confirm Abuse ReportYour Mama said:
Dec 22, 2008 at 3:06 PMI would like to see California Speedway shorted to 75 laps on the grounds that it is the most boring sporting event in the history of sports.
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Dec 22, 2008 at 7:02 PMEverybody is entitled to their opinion so I guess I'll give mine too. I read a lot of comments here today and see everyone's point, but I do all that stuff you talk about and I would like to see some of the races shortened. I drive 1600 to 2000 miles or more round trip hauling a fifth wheel to Bristol, Martinsville, Darlington, and Richmond. I spend that big $'s some of you are talking about and still unlike some of you I would gladly cut the laps at Bristol and Martinsville to 400. To many cautions make races to long. Both races have a long lull where it's riding around and not racing. Most of those two races are four to four and a half hours long, and that's a long time in 90+ degree weather. Ya I know but even the night race at Bristol is to long to sit on hard seats with less than 18" of shoulder room. Put a lard a_ _ or two in your row and your lucky if you can even tip your drink to your lips. Hey, just my opinion!!!!
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» Confirm Abuse ReportTeema H. said:
Dec 25, 2008 at 11:53 PMTim the Fan....I sure as heck don't make your kind of money....because I am lucky to make enough to save to go to ONE race a year...and believe me I am not blowing hundreds of $'s on any extras....I am lucky to have a hundred in my pocket for souvie's and food....I do NOT want my race shortened...I pay hard earned (and saved) money to see every lap they NOW run....I just wish caution flag laps didn't count as laps run....
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