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Lee Montgomery: Runaway title races don't warrant knee-jerk reaction
By Lee Montgomery - Associate Editor
Tuesday, November 03, 2009
Hendrick Motorsports driver Jimmie Johnson (right) and crew chief Chad Knaus are on the verge of winning their fourth straight NASCAR Sprint Cup title.
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COMMENTARY
Kyle Busch’s lead over Carl Edwards in the NASCAR Nationwide Series standings is 215 points, but take heart, NASCAR fans. There are two other title races that are closer.
Oh, yeah, much closer. Ron Hornaday leads Matt Crafton by 202 points in the Camping World Truck Series, and, of course, Jimmie Johnson leads Mark Martin in the Sprint Cup Series by a mere 184.
There is the very real possibility that none of the championships will be up in the air at Homestead-Miami Speedway in three weekends. You remember Homestead? The place that holds “Ford Championship Weekend” at “The Championship Track.”
Well, not this year. Sorry, Homestead, but the party will have already started by then.
Who’s to blame? Well, NASCAR, of course. The sanctioning body is to blame for everything. NASCAR caused the economic meltdown, the election controversy of Afghan President Hamid Karzai, global warming and the breakup of TV’s John and Kate Gosselin.
Yes, NASCAR conspired with more than 100 race teams to let Johnson, Busch and Hornaday compile runaway point leads.
And if you believe that, well, as Ryan Newman said at Talladega, stay home.
Listen, folks, sometimes we’re not going to have five drivers fighting it out to the last lap at Homestead – even with the Chase For The Sprint Cup. It’s kind of pitiful to see it in Cup, given that’s what the Chase is designed to do, but it happens.
What can we do about it? Not a darn thing. Nor should we. Why do we even ask the question?
Let’s not have a knee-jerk response to these terrible title races and alter the landscape of the sport. That’s what happened to institute the Chase in the first place. After Matt Kenseth won one race and ran away with the championship in 2003, NASCAR changed the way champions are decided.
Was it a bad move? I don’t think it was, because the Chase has brought a level of excitement to the sport that didn’t exist before. But was it necessary? Not really, for the sport wasn’t broke.
And neither is the way a champion is crowned in Nationwide and Trucks. Both of those series have serious issues that need to be addressed, but the way a title is earned isn’t one of them.
So let’s leave the Chase where it is and hope that we have some closer championship races next year.
And, please, can somebody beat Jimmie Johnson?
Mentioned Drivers: Jimmie Johnson
2009 Sprint Cup Race for the Chase Standings
Driver Standings after the Checker O'Reilly Auto Parts 500
| 1 | Jimmie Johnson | 6492 |
| 2 | Mark Martin | -108 |
| 3 | Jeff Gordon | -169 |
| 4 | Kurt Busch | -211 |
| 5 | Tony Stewart | -285 |
| 6 | Juan Pablo Montoya | -289 |
| 7 | Greg Biffle | -321 |
| 8 | Denny Hamlin | -352 |
| 9 | Ryan Newman | -411 |
| 10 | Kasey Kahne | -476 |
| 11 | Carl Edwards | -520 |
| 12 | Brian Vickers | -666 |
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Greg55_96 said:
Nov 3, 2009 at 9:58 AMThis guy who wrote this article is out of his mind."Dont fix the Chase and leave the others alone."
Report as AbuseWe have two different ways of crowning a champ and they both are right. That is so dumb it is almost funny. How can two things that are diff. be right?
The Chase is so bad for the sport,it allows a guy to run away with everything. Under the old system we had more close endings then runaways,look at the past numbers. Some of the points races were decided by less then 50 points and some of the closest were decided on the last race. When Sprint came in they did not what to look anything like Winston and so the DUMBEST change that Nascar has ever made.
If we were under the old system JJ would have been a man and raced up front at Dega but was allowed by this system to points race.
History doesn't Lie!!!!!!! And as soon as there is a new sponsor for the sport then a change, come on Verizon some body please get rid of this joke of a points system and a sponsor.
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Nov 3, 2009 at 10:03 AMLee Montgomery Stop Kissing up to Nascar! You reports are so scared that your card will be pulled,that you will not say that this system is a JOKE.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportRainier said:
Nov 3, 2009 at 10:20 AMA lot of people keep saying that Johnson is a fake champion because of the chase format. I think that's ridiculous. If anything the chase makes it more difficult to win 4 championships in a row. Sure, it can turn the tables and make someone win that otherwise would not have had a chance, but to pull that feat off for four years in a row is extremely difficult. The chase basically condenses the season into 10 races. Much too little time for simple consistency to do the job. You need to win races. And Johnson has always won races in the Chase. More than anyone else. The 48 team is able to step up and perform in the chase when it counts and do so relentlessly. They have been the best for 37 straight chase races where there is little room for error, or slumps, or bad days. There is nothing fake about that.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportSS396Chevelle said:
Nov 3, 2009 at 2:43 PMI'm not a JJ fan, but the fact remains the best driver over the past 4 years is Johnson. No one is that lucky, and there is no way Nascar is making sure he wins. If they wanted someone to win they would have picked Dale Jr. Jr winning the championship would be the best thing to happen to Nascar. Higher rating, more seats sold. After 7 races Johnson has a 3.4 average finish. For the Johnson haters I'm afraid to say but he is getting better. Unless things go real bad for him next year he will end up the 5 time champion. I root for Gordon and Jr, and I hope next year one of them will win the Championship.
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Nov 3, 2009 at 3:11 PMTaxpayers Unlikely to Recover $80 Billion Given to Chrysler, GM, GAO Says
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By Ken Thomas, Associated Press & Stephen Manning, Associated Press
Washington (AP) - Taxpayers are unlikely to recover their full investment in General Motors or Chrysler, government investigators said Monday in the latest review to cast doubts that the government will recoup the $80 billion it poured into the two automakers.
The Government Accountability Office concluded that General Motors Co. and Chrysler Group LLC likely won't be valuable enough for the Treasury Department to break even on its investment in the two auto companies that went though bankruptcy earlier this year.
The GAO also revealed that the Obama administration is closely scrutinizing the finances of GM and Chrysler and has set some requirements on production even though it has said it will maintain a hands-off approach on the automakers' daily operations. To recover the loans Treasury gave Chrysler and GM to keep them afloat, the automakers would have to reach valuations they didn't approach even when they were healthier.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportSS396Chevelle said:
Nov 3, 2009 at 4:34 PM#5 And this has what to do with the chase? So your decession would be to shut them down now and get nothing rather then let them go on and recoup as much as possible?
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» Confirm Abuse ReportRainier said:
Nov 3, 2009 at 4:45 PMJust ignore WORMDIRT, SS396CHEVELLE. He's an instigator. I'm fairly certain he just likes to get a rise out of people.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportSheilaLovesNASCAR said:
Nov 3, 2009 at 4:50 PMThere was no need for a chase. There was nothing wrong with the points system before Nextel/Sprint came in. The only ones who like the chase format are Brian, the media and Jimmy Johnson. Johnson has it down pat. If you don't get rid of the dang thing, Jimmy will win his 7 championships in a row. This chase system is turning fans away. Who wants to watch Jimmy win year after year? History or not. It is not good for the sport. Put it back. Make them race all year for the championship. If you want them to race for the win instead of points racing, give more points to win. Not just 10 points toward seeding in the chase. The chase is not good for the sport. Only Jimmy Johnson fans like it. What he is doing is indeed remarkable, but enough is enough. It's not getting more fans to the track for those races. And it's not pulling football fans from their football. But it is turning the fans NASCAR already has away.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportcaneskid said:
Nov 3, 2009 at 5:05 PMI've only been a NASCAR fan for 2 years, so I'm still learning. However, I don't understand how a sport can have it's "super bowl" event, Daytona, open the season rather than close it out as a championship. I understand the history of that race, but it doesn't make sense for marketing the sport. Similarly, here we are in the "playoffs" with 40% of the playoff races to go, and it's already over. I'm a new fan but I won't be watching the last 4 races because they mean nothing. That's boring. Not a smart way to market the sport to a new fan. By the way, Jimmy, I don't watch Tiger Woods and I don't watch Federer. They're boring too. Thank goodness there's football and hockey these next 4 weeks.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportminkee2 said:
Nov 3, 2009 at 5:43 PMOkay, let's say we do away with the Chase format and go back to seeing who's ahead at the end of the year. Now, if Jimmie wins all season, and consequently, wins that way too---what is your next suggestion? The #48 team wins races during the year too or wouldn't make the Chase. So when he wins three in a row that way, what will all you Chase Format naysayers be saying then? Just don't let Jimmie race? Logic has to be in your heads someplace, or do you all like #18 that can't even get in the Chase, much less win one. He just made it in last year and then fell flat on his face. I want Martin to win next year even though I'm obviously a strong JJ fan.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportkeith308 said:
Nov 3, 2009 at 5:49 PMGET RID OF THE CHASE! IT TURNED OUT WORST THAN THE OLD POINTS SYSTEM. NASCAR, NOBODY IS WATCHING YOUR RACING ANYMORE FROM MY HOMETOWN. THEY SAY THE CHASE STINKS, THE LUCKY DOG IS STUPID, SOME DON'T KNOW WHY CAUTIONS. LOOK AT YOUR TV RATINGS AND IN THE GRANDSTANDS. IF YOU DON'T DO SOMETHING HOW WILL THE TRACKS KEEP PAYING THE PURSES. Double file restarts and new times for next year a great start. GOOD BUY JIMMIE JOHNSON CHASE SERIES.
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» Confirm Abuse Report4EVER3 said:
Nov 3, 2009 at 6:10 PMJimmie has it worked out.He and Chad know what and how this deal works.More power to them!
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» Confirm Abuse Reportbthompson133 said:
Nov 3, 2009 at 6:39 PMyou tell them wormdirt. the chase is not a real championship as it only uses 10 of 36 races. you must be best in the WHOLE SEASON!!!!!! after 35 + years i think i'll be leaving nascar.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportWerner said:
Nov 3, 2009 at 6:42 PMNASCAR set up the Chase to have a tighter points race...so what happened?...
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» Confirm Abuse ReportSS396Chevelle said:
Nov 3, 2009 at 7:27 PMIf you go on the old points system Jimmie Johnson is still first by with a small lead over Stewart and Gordon. Mark Martin 430 points behind and all you Kyle Busch fans he would be an amazing 702 points behind.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportSS396Chevelle said:
Nov 3, 2009 at 7:29 PM#7 RAINIER you are right worm dirt never has anything to say about racing. It's all politics for him.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportbkbroiler said:
Nov 3, 2009 at 7:31 PMDaytona is not a superbowl. If you dont understand stock car raceing you dont understand the importance of Daytona. I for one am tired of the media and other know nothings calling Daytona the superbowl of stockcar raceing. It isnt, never will be. Its DAYTONA. Not some type of stick and ball bowl.
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Nov 3, 2009 at 7:37 PMNascar came up with the Chase after Matt Kenseth won the Cup in 2004 after winning only one race all year long. With that fact in mind along with lagging ratings late in the season, the powers that be in NASCAR came up with their now infamous playoff system. The Chase. I realize that most of you who like the chase are JJ fans, but were it not for the chase, JJ would only have one Cup, not three. NASCAR has robbed Jeff Gordon of two extra Cups because of the stupid Chase System. What further adds insult to injury, is the fact that half of the races in the Chase are run on tracks that JJ either wins at, or finishes well at. In effect, JJ has an edge when it comes to running the Chase races. I'm not knocking his talent because I'll admit the kid is gifted, but I am knocking the very system that gives anyone in the top twelve a shot at a cup whether or not they deserve to be in the running, especially those hundreds of points behind.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportWormDirt said:
Nov 3, 2009 at 7:38 PMSSCHEVELLE, My point is this..... Brian France, Rick Hendrick, T. Stewart, Junior, Gordon, JOHNSON, M. Martin.... Yes...EACH AND EVERY ONE of them hit the campaign trail last year lobbying for the government to steal money from the people and REDISTRIBUTE it to General Motors. They DISGUSTINGLY appealed directly to their fans to contact their representatives to urge them to support the auto bail-outs. This is fact!!!! Well, they got their way friendo!!!!!!! And their teams got to avoid having to deal with a manufacturer change or some other arrangement at the begining of the season like a less POLITICALLY-CONNECTED company would have had to deal with. Well..... guess what? Fast-forward to the Chase and Chevy now holds the top-FIVE positions in the championship standings. Sound fair to you???? DO you think these drivers would still be in the top 5 if their manufacturer wasn't propped up with stolen money and a corrupted dispicable government sham of a bankrupcy????? And now...... NOW.... on top of it all... as some of us said from the begining, there is no way they will ever pay back the money!!!! You YOURSELF said they would pay it back, but now you sound like you don't care. Meanwhile, others of the sheep who supported this OUTRAGE sit and complain that the Chase is boring.....boo hoo.... when it's the very thing you supported that has directly contributed to this.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportcaneskid said:
Nov 3, 2009 at 7:48 PMHey BKBroiler. If you're going to call me a "know nothing", maybe you should learn to spell:
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» Confirm Abuse ReportSS396Chevelle said:
Nov 3, 2009 at 8:07 PMWORMDIRT, I want the big 3 to survive. That is my right as an American. You have your opinion and I have mine. Yes, I said GM would pay back their loans but lets look at the calendar. They came out of bankruptcy in July. Their target date is 2015 not today or next week. What you are saying is GM poured in millions of dollars into HMS and SHR correct? Can you prove that? You have to saying this about the bailout money GM received and that it went to the Chevy teams. Chevy has won the last 7 manufactures titles. Maybe they knowing racing better then the other manufactures.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportWormDirt said:
Nov 3, 2009 at 8:39 PMThe "right" to wish for the big 3 to survive and the "right" to support the confiscation of money from private citizens to give to a CORPORATION are two entirely different things brother!! Regardless... I'm saying if we actually PRACTICED freedom in this country instead of POSING as believers in freedom, then GM would never have been bailed out!!!!!!!! Are you unable to understand that a manufacturer going bankrupt would affect a teams performance??? Are you going to tell me that the Chevy teams would have experienced no problems whatsoever, and they'd still be dominating this year after something like that??? Wake up man. PLEASE wake up!!!!!
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» Confirm Abuse ReportAndi said:
Nov 3, 2009 at 8:43 PMYou know what's funny, if my memory serves me correctly, Johnson wasn't a real big fan of the chase system when it first came out in 2004. Grant you that was the most exciting chase because it literally came down to the final closing laps at homestead, and even though my driver was out 8 points and didn't win the championship it was exciting. Hasn't really been that way since. BUT unlike the nationwide series the past couple of years, the championship had always come down to Homestead. And even as a JJ fan, I would like for that to happen. Call me a bad fan if you wnat, but I love racing, and I don't want something decided until the season is actually over. But as it looks right now, it very well might be locked up in Phoenix. And as someone pointed out, even in the old system he would still be leading, not by as big as he leads now, but he'd be the points leader. And say what you want about Johnson not racing at Dega. I saw alot of guys that were back there in the back. McMurray, Stewart, Newman, Kahne. So if you say Johnson didn't race at Dega, might has well add those guys to the list. Grant you Johnson hung out back there longer, but look how that worked out for him. The same can be said for McMurray and Kahne. Not so much Tony and Ryan. Carl Edwards did in the spring too, ran in the back then moved forward when it was time to go and almost won there in the fall. So if you just say that about Johnson and not everyone else, you're contradicting yourself.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportGreg55_96 said:
Nov 3, 2009 at 10:55 PMIn the pic for this article Jimmy is looking into Chads eyes as if he has a man crush for him, the punk!
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» Confirm Abuse Reportpj4jj48 said:
Nov 4, 2009 at 12:38 AM1) Chase versus No Chase.... no driver or team would have raced the same given a different points system so the argument doesn't matter. They all race under what ever system Nascar puts into place. I'd have preferred it not change (and yes I'm a JJ fan)but it did; get over it. Jimmie and Chad would have figured that points system out too; heck they were top 5 in points under the old system when they were still a new team.
Report as Abuse2) There is only one driver/team to make the Chase every year since it's inception. Yup the 48 team. You have to be good enough and consistent enough the first 26 to get to the Chase. They always are. Jeff has missed it; so has Tony and by enough that under the old system it would have been highly unlikely that they would have made up enough points during the final ten races to win the Championship in those years.
3) Go ahead and lobby Nascar to change what tracks are in the Chase; put Bristol and road courses in there; Jimmie and Chad and the 48 will just concentrate more on those and master those too.
To be the best you have to beat the best. Right now the best is the 48 team.
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Nov 4, 2009 at 3:30 AMIt is called Cubic Dollars, SS396.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportOldschoolNASCAR said:
Nov 4, 2009 at 7:01 AMWORMDIRT....Next time your congressional offices open up for election I suggest you run for office. Complaining on this forum about our government is a waste of OUR time and yours. If you are right with all your spoutings the people will elect you and then you can do something about the system. Suggestion, don't use the name WORMDIRT when you run for office! Good Luck! and be sure to let us know how your campaign goes.....
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Nov 4, 2009 at 9:06 AMHey WORMDIRT, the voters in Virginia and New Jersey spoke last night and changed two state governerships from blue to red. And they did it in the ballot box. Ford posted a profit in the last quarter because Americans are buying their product as a backlash against the bailout of GM and Chrysler. Those two places, the ballot box and the showroom, are where your beliefs belong and are where I will make my beliefs known about government policy. We're here on this site to talk about drivers and racing.
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Nov 4, 2009 at 12:23 PMthe Chase is a terrible format but it is what it is.FRANCECAR isn't about to change it.
Report as Abuseas far as is her really the best or not?all i'll say is until somebody beats him on a regular basis HE IS.Put another way "If you're going to be the man you've got to beat the man".
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Nov 4, 2009 at 12:24 PMthat's he really the best
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Nov 4, 2009 at 12:57 PMPS: HOW MANY people want to buy a vehicle from an outfit that they don't know IF they will be in business or not in a few months or years???
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Nov 4, 2009 at 1:36 PMFirst off Rainier..... If you want to bury your head in the sand and tell yourself everything is gonna be alright now that two "big government" republican governors are in office instead of two "big government" democrat governors, I say go ahead... fine... Knock yourself out!!!! And if you think Ford posting profits somehow makes up for tax-payors being ROBBED of BILLIONS of dollars by GM & CHrysler... well...that's fine too. There is no law against being naive, but don't expect everyone ELSE to act like sheep OK? And... definitely.... don't tell me "where my beliefs belong"!!!! You and OLDSCHOOLNASCAR might want to do some soul-searching. You might want to ask yourselves if telling another free-man in the land of the free to sit down and shut-up and wait for an election to pick which corporate puppet is most likely to break the fewest of their promises is really a recipe for reform. Meanwhile, I'll be out here asking questions and speaking my mind. Like, how many of Rick Hendrick's GM dealerships were closed during the government-managed bankrupcy? Hmmmm..... ANd how can men like Jimmie Johnson consider himself a conservative when he begged his fans to support corporate-WELFARE for his manufacturer??? Hmmmmmm...... If you don't like what I have to say, here's a tip.... DON'T READ IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Nov 4, 2009 at 2:48 PMThere is a time and place for everything WORMDIRT. This is not the place for your incessant pessimistic rants calling people sheep and cowards and accusing them of being hypocrites because of rooting for a certain driver. You strike me as the type of person who would be screaming the sky is falling no matter what is going on in the country. There are people in this world who just like to complain and scream and make idiodic comments about sheep and accuse people of burying their heads and all the while they act like they are the warriors for truth and justice. You fit the mold perfectly. Unfortunately, you are too blind to see that you sound like a crazy person and no one will ever take you seriously. Nothing you say will ever make a difference because your approach makes reasonable people write you off. So you can go ahead and keep cutting and pasting AP articles into NASCAR racing blog threads and keep on denying anything that happens as progress towards getting the nation back towards conservatism. You do have that right. And I will most likely continue reading your nonsense, shaking my head at just how unbalanced you are, and thanking the sweet lord above that I don't know you in real life. I have a tip for you as well... If you dislike this country so much and see no hope for improvement and can never say a single positive thing...DON'T LIVE HERE!!!!!!! Do you see how foolish all those exclamation points look?
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Nov 4, 2009 at 2:50 PMIf you have ever seen The Big Lebowski WORMDIRT, you are Walter. That's nothing to be proud of.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportWormDirt said:
Nov 4, 2009 at 5:03 PMyawn... Look Rainier.... haven't we been through this before? Seriously man. I mean, if we look at ANY of your comments directed toward me whether in this instance or previous ones.... and we SUBTRACT the parts where you try to discredit me as some crank.... and if we SUBTRACT your unhealthy obsession with my puncuation marks etc.... and if we SUBTRACT your lame insults and nerdy movie-references.....or your delusional RATIONALIZATIONS about your contradictory actions.... what we end up with is the grim reality that you have little or NOTHING to say about the issues I bring up!!!! This is fact! This is REALITY. Seems to me, all we end up with from you in the end is a distraction and diversion. ACTUALLY... come to think of it.... Maybe YOU are the one that should get into politics!!! Yes... that's it!!! I mean, you'd be PERFECT for it... what with your deranged complex that makes you think you can tell others where and when it is "appropriate" to share their opinons ... and your "do as I say, not as I do" attitude...and seeing as how you are so fond of smearing the MESSENGER to avoid facing the MESSAGE..... you should be great at it!!!! I've even got a slogan for you....... RAINIER FOR PRESIDENT 2012: "CHANGE" YOU CAN STEP IN!!!!!!!! Yeeeeeeeeeeoooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!!
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Nov 4, 2009 at 6:11 PMYawn? How many times are you going to use that as the first word of a post? And What issues have you raised? I choose not to respond to cliche bumper sticker political statements like "corporate puppet" and "sheep", which makes up 99% of your rants. You might as well throw in statements about cattle mutilations, crop circles, alien abductions, vast right wing conspiracy, and so on and so on. I actually agree that the bailouts were wrong, I just disagree that sticking with a driver of a dodge or chevy (who is a sports figure) makes a fan somehow unamerican or a hypocrite as you accused myself and others of. You are blending two things together that should be seperate, politics and sports. The point of sports for me is to escape the real world which lately has me very upset. I'll be darned if I am going to let politics ruin one of the few things I really enjoy, that being NASCAR racing. But you keep on keeping on buddy. It's a great service you're doing to us all by screaming at the choir on here and insulting people that most likely agree with you on the bailouts. And you're not a messenger. That requires someone else to be sending information via you. You're an idiot in front of a computer who thinks people care about what he says about politics. But you are fun to argue with. I'll give you that.
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Nov 4, 2009 at 7:18 PMSeems to me WORMDIRT you're rowing a boat on your own. And PLEASE be consistant! In post #22 you said, and I quote YOU, "Regardless... I'm saying if we actually PRACTICED freedom in this country instead of POSING as believers in freedom,". Your posts are the very proof that WE practice freedom and your right to post your opinion because it is NOT censored, but unless we agree with your view we somehow don't practice freedom in your eyes, when actually YOU are the one trying to dictating what others can offer as their opinion. I refer to your post #35 for that one. And PLEASE, P L E A S E read my post #27 and comprehend what it is saying. I never said this "You might want to ask yourselves if telling another free-man in the land of the free to sit down and shut-up and wait for an election to pick which corporate puppet is most likely to break the fewest of their promises is really a recipe for reform" YOU DID. That is a quote of you not understanding what I wrote in post #27. I said RUN FOR OFFICE not wait to vote for someone else. Keep reading it until you can comprehend what I wrote, even if it takes you a day or two. I know new things are hard to understand sometimes. This is a forum about the articles written, and NOT a political soapbox that you are trying to turn it into. This forum was supposed to be about the points system, NOT your political point of view. THAT'S my point!
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Nov 4, 2009 at 7:43 PMBULLSEYE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FINALLY Ranier!!!!!!!!! Finally, you managed to stumble blindly into REALITY. So, in celebration of this, I will ignore your usual unoriginal and jealous remarks and focus on what you got right.... The part about.... "two things that should be kept separate, politics and sports". Wow!!! Congratulation!!! I mean, I could NOT agree more!!! But, how in the name of all things sane and rational and honest can you NOT see that this has been my entire POINT the whole time????????? Seriously man. How can you with even the slightest SHRED of dignity sit there and accuse me of bringing politics into racing when I am simply pointing out the TRAGEDY of how the sport's own participants have done this???? That just last year, the majority of the multi-millionaire drivers in this year's Chase (many of whom own Chevy dealerships) were all over the media begging their FANS to contact their representatives to support an illegal multi-BILLION dollar bail-out of their manufacturer?????? Are you trying to say that I had something to do with that???? These people used their fans like political pawns in a game to fatten their own wallets, and you have the b@!!s to say that I am the one who is bringing politics into your world? I mean, I'm sorry to intrude on your little bubble-world of blissful happiness where you and Jimmie Johnson ride unicorns under rainbows and nap together on fluffy clouds made out of marshmellows, BUT.... i think you may be pointing your finger in the wrong direction.
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Nov 4, 2009 at 10:08 PMWormdirt, you pasted an AP article about GM not being able to repay the government loans into this thread. If that is not bringing politics into the racing discussion I don't know what is. I'm not talking about what any NASCAR affiliated person did over the last year and I am certainly not accusing you of having anything to do with the bailout. I doubt you could even get a stop sign put up at a dangerous intersection. They'd throw you out of the room as soon as you opened your mouth. I'm talking about what you are doing on this website, not what anyone else is doing or has done.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportWormDirt said:
Nov 4, 2009 at 11:32 PMi guess that's one way to look at it Rainier.... Of course, it's WRONG, but oh well. YOu see ANother way of looking at it is that I saw where SSCHEVELLE had posted a comment under this article. SSCHEVELLE is a proud man who I respectfully debated on this very subject. I was simply giving him an update onthe status of his blind devotion to GM and the unintended consequences it has wrought. HONESTLY, I didn't want to be rude and point out how crass it was of you to stick your nose in our conversation, but you have left me no choice. I'm sorry, but the world does NOT revolve around you or your bubble-world full of unicorns and rainbows Rainier. ON top of that!!!!!! YOu still don't even seem to grasp that I am not "bringing" politics into the discussion, but rather trying to REMOVE THEM FROM THE DISCUSSION by holding those who do accountable. I realize that not everybody has the stomach for HONESTY and PRINCIPLE, but why is it so hard to just skip over my comments and IGNORE them! And as for your stop-sign committee.... COUNT ME OUT!!!!! I can only imagine the rule-mongering busy-body tell-everybody-else-how-to-live-THEIR-lives lizard people who would attend something like that!!!!!!!!!!! Good day sir.
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Nov 4, 2009 at 11:52 PMOldSchoolNascar.... I tried man. I took your advice and read it SEVERAL times, but I still don't understand all of it. Sounds like IN ADDITION to your telling people what they can and can not discuss on the internet, you are also saying that unless they are planning on running for office, then they have no business voicing an opinion that YOU disagree with. Is that it. If so, kiss my &^$. I do like your use of CAPITALIZATION though. ALso, I would "point" out that I liked your last two sentences.
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