Drivers told they will be penalized for bump-drafts in turns at Talladega
By Bob Pockrass - Associate Editor
Sunday, November 01, 2009
NASCAR President Mike Helton issued a stern warning to drivers in Sunday's prerace meeting against the use of bump-drafting in the turns at Talladega Superspeedway.
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TALLADEGA, Ala. – NASCAR announced that it would not allow bump drafting in any of the four turns of Talladega Superspeedway during the prerace drivers meeting for the Amp Energy 500 Sunday.
NASCAR President Mike Helton sternly warned the drivers against the bumping and pushing in the corners and said while there might be a warning, there might not be one. A penalty will be a drive-through penalty. If it happens on the final lap, the penalty likely would be a timed or a positioned penalty.
Both the driver getting bumped and the driver doing the bumping could be penalized, Helton said.
“We will not allow doubling up, pushing, locked-up, bump-drafting or whatever you call it in the turns,” Helton told the drivers. “All the way through turns 1 and 2, all the way through turns 3 and 4, you will not be allowed to push someone, bump-draft them or shove them through the turns. … We have seen the progress, particularly at Talladega, of two cars hooking up and basically locked up all the way around for a lap.
“You will not be allowed to do that through the turns – that’s from the green flag all the way through to the checkered flag.”
Helton vowed that it will be enforced the entire race.
“If the guy that takes the checkered has got that position by drafting up through the turns, … that’s going to be an issue with us,” Helton said. “The guy from the back will catch the penalty most all the time. But if you win the race by [bump] drafting through 1 and 2 with help, then you’re going to have a problem. The guy that pushes you is going to have a problem, too.”
Helton said what happened on the final lap of the Truck Series race when Billy Ballew Motorsports teammates Aric Almirola pushed Kyle Busch for the win in the trioval would be legal. What would not be legal would be a situation where a drivers team up and push and bump in the turns, much like Roush Fenway Racing’s Carl Edwards and Phoenix Racing’s Brad Keselowski did in April to turn a lap in excess of 200 mph.
“We’ve tried to avoid this all along because this isn’t easy,” Helton said. “We’re going to stay on top of it the best we can. That doesn’t mean we’re going to catch every one of them. But if somebody hooks up long enough, it’s going to be pretty obvious. … We think we’re at a point where we think we need to get in the middle of this.
“If you push through the turns, we’re going to get involved. And it could be the first four cars, it could be three, five, six cars. So the slickest thing, guys, is just not to do it. What we’re asking you right now is to not do it. We’re also telling you not to do it.”
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Phoenix987 said:
Nov 1, 2009 at 12:05 PMAnd there will be no reason to watch the race then.
Report as AbuseIt's not the fault of that 2 car breakaway that NASCAR's new car just lines up that perfectly. Thanks for screwing up one of the races I actually look forward to.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportprrfan said:
Nov 1, 2009 at 12:07 PMWell, Looks like I'll rake the leaves in the yard. It will be more entertaining than the race.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportjtoothman said:
Nov 1, 2009 at 12:15 PMI'll wait until after the race to pass judgment. That being said, it seems Nascar is policing the races more and more and they wonder why fans lose interest.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportbigjeason9 said:
Nov 1, 2009 at 12:18 PMMike why don't you just write a scrip for the drivers to follow and publish it. That way we could all watch a ball game. This seems to be the way our sport is headed anyway.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportsweetthings88 said:
Nov 1, 2009 at 12:19 PMI JUST CAN'T BELIEVE NASCAR. I GUESS WITH ALL NASCAR EYE BALLS ON RACE. THE DRIVERS BETTER TIP TOE AROUND THE TRACK. WHAT FUN IS THAT TO WATCH.GEEEEEE GIVE ME A BREAK.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportplaceysup said:
Nov 1, 2009 at 12:23 PMFirst they make the restrictor plates smaller??? Then they say no bump drafting in the corners??? Why don't they jusy let the drivers each run 5 laps on they're own, have a pit stop somewhere during the 5 laps and whoever has the fastest time wins the race. No accidents, people see they're driver and go home. See ya in Texas.
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» Confirm Abuse Reporttire-girl said:
Nov 1, 2009 at 12:28 PMWhy don't they just set a speed limit too? Who wants to bet that CERTAIN drivers will never get caught bumping, or that CERTAIN drivers will bump others and the OTHERS will get penalized not them? The drivers really seem to love this rule. Not. I think I will go rake leaves too.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportoldmanjob said:
Nov 1, 2009 at 12:29 PMI guess I will be going out on the Guzzi this afternoon.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportkeith308 said:
Nov 1, 2009 at 12:33 PMNot worth watching anymore. Nascar will not penalize anyone in the chase or Kyle Busch.
Report as AbuseThis will be a joke!
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» Confirm Abuse ReportSheilaLovesNASCAR said:
Nov 1, 2009 at 12:34 PMIt wasn't the fact that Brad pushed Carl around the track that caused the wreck. They were fine all the way around. It was when Carl decided to block Brad that the wreck happened. Instead of outlawing bump drafting in the corners, a better rule would be to stop the blocking. Brad didn't turn Carl. Carl blocked and turned himself. With the trucks, Bodine blocked Skinner, which set up the wreck. Stop the blocking, stay in your spot and race. Blocking killed Earnhardt. Not the bump drafting in the corners.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportipopakeg293388 said:
Nov 1, 2009 at 12:34 PMIT'S TURNING INTO FOOTBALL AND THERE SISSY Q.B.'S! YOU CAN'T TOUCH ONE OF THOSE LITTLE LADY'S! ANY AND ALL Q.B. SHOULD HAVE TO WEAR DRESSES! I THINK THEY ARE SCREWING UP NASCAR,JUST LIKE FOOTBALL,AND THE REST! ALMOST A MILLION DOLLAR'S BECAUSE A BASEBALL HIT A FAN,AND THEY SAID THE BAT WAS THE PROBLEM! THAT IS WHY WE QUIT GOING TO ANY SPORTING EVENT EXCEPT NASCAR. A LOT OF PUNK'S JUST WANT TO DRINK AND FIGHT(WHICH IS JUST OUR GAME!) WHEN WE GO TO THE RACE'S THERE ARE AT LEAST 20 OF US,SOMETIMES MORE,SO WE DON'T HAVE TROUBLE! NOW NASCAR IS CREATING OUR TROUBLE FOR US WITH THEIR DIP S**T RULE'S!
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» Confirm Abuse Reportkeith308 said:
Nov 1, 2009 at 12:36 PMI just posted a remark and it was taken off. I guess this deal is either agree with it or you don't count similar to our goverment.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportdorarhodes said:
Nov 1, 2009 at 12:42 PMI don't have any leaves to rake, but I do have a house that I can clean.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportsweetthings88 said:
Nov 1, 2009 at 12:42 PMWELL NASCAR MESSED EVERY THING ELSE UP. WHY NOT PUT HEADLIGHTS, TAIL LIGHTS, BRAKE LIGHTS, LEFT AND RIGHT TURN SIGNALS, HORN, CURB FINDER, AND HAVE EACH CAR HAVE A DIFF COLOR BUBBLE ON TOP.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportTuxcatmama said:
Nov 1, 2009 at 12:49 PMI actually agree that bump drafting should not happen in the corners WHEN A PACK is involved, but the two-car tandem, if they can do it, well more power to 'em! My questions are: if bump-drafting is all of a sudden going to be an issue, why the hel1 did NASCAR mandate the the bumpers line up on this new car (answer: they did it to FACILITATE bump-drafing!)? where do the corners begin and end? are they marked? what's gonna happen when a driver who's bump-drafting hits a corner and all of a sudden checks up...let me take a wild guess, everyone will also check up in an orderly manner and after the race all the guys will head out for a nice cup of hot tea.
Report as AbuseGuess the next step NASCAR will take is having cloistered nuns and monks drive, or me for that matter. I figure i could do a hot lap of about 80mph...so just send me the money you'd spend on tickets otherwise!
Wonder how long this will be posted before it gets yanked?
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» Confirm Abuse Reportwmvjr1960 said:
Nov 1, 2009 at 12:51 PMThe day before the race Nascorn comes up with a rule that can only be described as pure gray. Which is exactly the way they like it. Just like football, "in the grasp/or not" or "catchable ball/or not" It's all up to the officials. Which is what they want. Total POWER. How disgusting that the sport we love has been reduced to the this. I'll wash the truck, do laundry, go grocery shopping and make it home in time for the last 20 laps.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportmanzytrophygirl said:
Nov 1, 2009 at 12:58 PMA race fan friend of mine said it best with just one word...NASCOP!!!
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» Confirm Abuse Reportbored said:
Nov 1, 2009 at 1:02 PMWhy does't NASCAR just put go cart engines in the cars and let the drivers be the little children that NASCAR treats them like. Racing in general is really starting to get boring!!!!!
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» Confirm Abuse ReportRonSchwalbe said:
Nov 1, 2009 at 1:06 PMWHat a joke !!! Tell me again how NASCAR, "Listens to the fans" !!!!!! Good thing the Jets/Dolphins game is on !!
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» Confirm Abuse Reportaustinh said:
Nov 1, 2009 at 1:07 PMBump drafting is not racing anyway get a clue and Have a nice day
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» Confirm Abuse Reporttimmytoad1 said:
Nov 1, 2009 at 2:12 PMLook at it, 20 odd laps in, they are all scared to race and be penalized for it. Single file is not racing, wtf kind of a race is this????? Boring as h*ll. Nascar is a joke no wonder the ratings drop more and more every race; every year. Mike Helton needs to go, Brian France needs to go, John Darby needs to go and finally Jim Hunter needs to go. They all suck.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportjimbennett said:
Nov 1, 2009 at 2:42 PMSUCCESS! Helton's surgery to remove racing from NASCAR was a complete success.Fans need to unite....go to court....force a change....remove the'R' and replace it with a'D'.It's no longer stock car racing....it'
Report as Abuses stock car driving.Next season's rules: no races...just qualifying...no longer necessary to bore the public with a "race".
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» Confirm Abuse Reportjimbennett said:
Nov 1, 2009 at 2:53 PMOne further note to Mr.Helton.........someone has already used your idea of 'racing'.It's held in Akron,Ohio.....called the "Soap Box Derby".
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» Confirm Abuse Reportchipshot said:
Nov 1, 2009 at 2:55 PMI got both my vehicles washed and vac`d out during about the 1st 40 laps. Can you hear all the tv`s changing channels? What a joke nascar is .
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» Confirm Abuse Reportbkun said:
Nov 1, 2009 at 3:00 PMNascar should look at the emty seats before they #%&@ up good race and they should refund the fans atleast half their ticket price and make the plate races about 30 laps. I can't believe they are not throwing beer cans yet !!
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» Confirm Abuse Reportwmvjr1960 said:
Nov 1, 2009 at 3:30 PMNot A Stock Car Auto Race = Nascar. Viewers are down 15% this year consistently on TV. It should be up since less people can afford to spend a weekend at the tracks + travel + gas etc. Next year, I'll find a new pastime. Like fishing. It's more exciting to stare at my bobber. Talledega boring ? NO WAY! yes, way.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportSBeau said:
Nov 1, 2009 at 5:08 PMThank you NASCAR, I can now remain busy on Sunday's for the remainder of he schedule. This weekend was a total embarrassment to racing.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportbkbroiler said:
Nov 1, 2009 at 5:10 PMCongrats to Mcmurray on the win but it wasnt a real exciting race. Should have finished the lawn.
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» Confirm Abuse Reporttimmytoad1 said:
Nov 1, 2009 at 5:13 PMThe last 10 laps were the most exciting I've ever seen, I dont believe there has been 2 flips in a race in a long time. Glad I know to skip the first 178 laps of the race from now on. Shame on you Nascar, you're only hurting yourself in the long run. Wrecks will always be apart of plate tracks, there is absoultly nothing that can be done to stop them. Nascar officals are becomming control freaks and fans are getting fed up with it.
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Nov 1, 2009 at 5:21 PMOh yeah, another great race huh? Nobody got killed so guess NASCAR won't see any reason to make any changes.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportjimk_20 said:
Nov 1, 2009 at 5:21 PMMike wake up . Listen to what Ryan had to say after comming out of care center. You could have not had the first 140 laps. How about NASCAR just hold a drawing before race and that is how the winners are dec. I am glade I have NFL to turn to for most part . I am Glade Ryan was ok. THEY should have tel. his RAdio com. while on his roof. Would have been better than first of race.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportprrfan said:
Nov 1, 2009 at 5:42 PMThank you Mike! You have now made it easy for me not to order next years tickets to Bristol and Michigan. I'm sure I'll find something exciting to do on Sundays next year like watching paint dry.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportarhiatt said:
Nov 1, 2009 at 5:53 PMI don't know what these NASCAR bigwigs think they are doing. Talladega, the race I look forward to the most - they decide to water it down. They make this threat to the drivers the DAY of the race, and because of that, drivers run single file until it gets down to the nitty gritty. Wow. That's racin'! Hmmphh. It's like watching paint dry. I guess Helton's decision was foiled by two cars flipping. What are they going to do next? Get 'em to drive 25 mph? Even though Ryan was in a wreck, he didn't sound too thrilled with the rules either. And on a side note: Is anyone besides me tired of Brad Daugherty's commentary?
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Nov 1, 2009 at 5:59 PMBrad sucks up more than Michael Waltrip !
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» Confirm Abuse Reportdeyanak said:
Nov 1, 2009 at 6:06 PMYes, thats true about brad..intentionally not capitolized...the race today simply sucked..sooner of later Nascar will wake up and realize the apathy...not the economy is to blame
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» Confirm Abuse ReportMeg said:
Nov 1, 2009 at 6:14 PMI also wasted my day watching that doofus race. I wish I had done my yard work instead. Why doesn't NASCAR just have a 50 lap race so we don't all waste our time sitting and watching cars circle the track single file... Even Tony complained he was bored to death....
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» Confirm Abuse ReportWerner said:
Nov 1, 2009 at 6:20 PMi can go along with no bump drafting in the corners...but let them have a little fun on the straight aways...unless the outcome is like the Smoke and Ryan show...and what's up with BK...how many races and how many wrecks has he had a part of...
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Nov 1, 2009 at 6:28 PMWHAT RACE FANS?
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» Confirm Abuse Reportbthompson133 said:
Nov 1, 2009 at 6:31 PMbk sux ,but if jr would have won the posts would have been different.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportnascarnutsheeler said:
Nov 1, 2009 at 6:36 PMI have one word BORING. It was great to see Jamie win but I think Ryan spoke very well about these races. When is Nascar going to listen to the drivers and the fans.It seems to me that the people that they are listening to are the ones that love to see crashes. Theres a lot more to racing than crashes and it seems thats what Nascar wants.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportKadach said:
Nov 1, 2009 at 6:43 PMNASCAR tries to legislate the racing (and drivers and everything else) til it is so boring we, the fans (whom they expound about how they are trying to please) are bored to tears with the racing. How blind can NASCAR be??? THEY are not listening, except to their accountants. They are getting what they (NASCAR) deserve, empty seats at the tracks, decreased TV ratings, and down sales of their memorabilia. Even Ryan Newman stated what a bad idea it was for NASCAR to implement the new rule today
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» Confirm Abuse Reportprrfan said:
Nov 1, 2009 at 6:50 PMI got my yard work done. Looked in every now and then only to see a single line of cars. Boy did they pick the wrong sponsor for that race. Good luck getting a sponsor next year with those rules. Thanks again Mike
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» Confirm Abuse Reportbud724 said:
Nov 1, 2009 at 6:59 PMnascar screwed up another good race
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» Confirm Abuse Reporttimmytoad1 said:
Nov 1, 2009 at 7:07 PMAnyone else notice over the past few weeks they have hired Mike Row to do a promo to try and paint the race as exciting and worth watching to get fan interest back. I find it laughable that Nascar thinks it will work... how stupid do they think we the fans are??
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» Confirm Abuse Reportteema said:
Nov 1, 2009 at 7:11 PM#41...I totally agree with your comments!
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» Confirm Abuse Reportmt63 said:
Nov 1, 2009 at 7:21 PMNASCAR will wake up when its to late and the fans have left to watch Horse Racing.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportipopakeg293388 said:
Nov 1, 2009 at 7:59 PMWell,Well,Well,Look's like I'm the only one that got the yard work done,and part of the garage! At least I have something to show for it! When they started riding single file doing 100 mph.I got so excited,I just had to tackle that garage! I'm glad Ryan is ok. but from now on I will just watch SPORT'S CENTER and catch up on the thing's I've wanted & needed to do! Nascar is really an un-funny joke! Give the D**n trophy to J.J. & put something on in it's place! No wonder most people go to the race to drink and raise H**l! They say,WHAT RACE? HAND ME A BEER! I don't drink,so I can save the time and money! FUGITABOUTIT!!!!!
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» Confirm Abuse Reportwmvjr1960 said:
Nov 1, 2009 at 10:44 PMMicromanagement. The style of Nascar. Now they have told the drivers when they must let off the gas ! You can tuck up on the straight, but then you have to lift in the corners so we can see air between the cars....CRAZY ! They constructed a new blocky car to create the draft.... then won't let them use it ! Typical idiotic starched shirt mentality. Dale Sr would have been revolting for sure.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportbtheborg said:
Nov 1, 2009 at 11:46 PMInstead of fixin' it, they made it worse. I'm kind of sorry I already renewed my Daytona Tickets for next year if this is how it's gonna be. I was at the last restrictor plate race when a driver died. I don't want to go to another one. Nascar, talk to the drivers and let them tell you how to fix it because you have no idea how to.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportgrandmasharon0 said:
Nov 2, 2009 at 12:55 PMWell, well, well...next year "the powers that be" will probably decide that Daytona and Dega races will be foot races for x number of laps while the drivers carry the restrictor plate in both hands. No bumping, banging, drafting, crashing, flipping, flat tires, or blown engines. Could still have a caution or two for debris on the track, someone could upchuck. No fans would be hurt. Sounds like as interesting of a race as the one yesterday. Can't wait! Way to go NASCAR!
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» Confirm Abuse ReportSTP43FAN said:
Nov 3, 2009 at 4:10 PMHelton lied. His threat was a bluff and everyone knew it - they hit each other in the turns all the same as they did in 2006 at Daytona with those unenforced "no Bump" zones.
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