Dale Earnhardt Jr. gains two spots in standings with Michigan finish

By SceneDaily Staff
Sunday, June 14, 2009

BROOKLYN, Mich. – For Dale Earnhardt Jr., it was more of the same for much of Sunday’s NASCAR Sprint Cup race at Michigan International Speedway. But in the end, he finished 14th for just his second top-15 in the last six races.

Earnhardt Jr. felt that his Hendrick Motorsports team and interim crew chief Lance McGrew had his car in good position midway through the LifeLock 400.

But in the end, he felt that the handling dropped off a little and that he lost ground.

“We worked on the car and we had it real good at one point - I was real happy,” he said. “Then near the end of the race, the last quarter of the race, we got off a little bit. We had about a 10th-place car,  maybe, but we were trying to save fuel at the end and gave up a couple spots trying to do that and didn’t gain back as many as we thought we would.

“Not as many people ran out as we thought would. It was a pretty good weekend. We ran pretty good in the race, we have to get a little bit better and we are definitely seeing some signs of improvement.”

That includes gaining some ground in the standings. Earnhardt Jr. moved up two spots to 18th with the performance, though he remains 255 points outside of the top 12 and a potential spot in the title-determining Chase For The Sprint Cup.

Mentioned Drivers: Dale Earnhardt Jr.

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  1. 1
    sandra-clark said:
    Jun 14, 2009 at 6:33 PM

    Go Dale Jr. and Team 88!!! I know that it will take time for you and Lance to mesh. What I heard on the scanner indicates more positive feed back from both you and the new crew chief.

    Wonder where all the negative nah sayers are this evening. Waiting to crawl out of the wood work I am sure.

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    dale-jr-is-the-greatest-driver-alive said:
    Jun 14, 2009 at 6:55 PM

    alrighttttt dale jr you rock i knew the car was faster way to go dale i wish you all the success you the best now its time to show em

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    dale said:
    Jun 14, 2009 at 8:15 PM

    Lucky for Jr. that 2 cars ran out of gas. Got to love his comment that not as many cars ran out of gas as they expected. I thought the goal was to race to win and actually earn it, not hope for the mis-fortune of others to advance your position.

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    motorsportsphotography said:
    Jun 14, 2009 at 8:18 PM

    Dale needs a reality check and soon. I listened to him for 125 laps today and if I was Rick I would be having a talk with him. He has no respect for Lance or his spotter. Its back to F this and F that. He tells Lance what to do on the car and Lance tells him just drive the car and let us take care of it and he curses at him. He blames his spotter for the 21 car pitting in front of him saying he cant concentrate and watch the 21 car because his spotter didn't tell him that he was in the pit in front of him and rants about it for 10 laps after it happened. He tells Lance that he doesn't trust his calls and he needs to listen to him more and it just goes on and on. I sat and watched it all day today as they went backwards from right above Dales pit box. Its ridiculous.

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    gwen_susie388 said:
    Jun 14, 2009 at 8:26 PM

    I see a working progress in the making!! I was keeping up the time of each lap! Jr. was faster at times than a lot of the drivers! I noticed that the leaders started slowing and it was taking them about 42 seconds to get around the track. At the same time I noticed that Jr. was doing the same thing! He was trying to save fuel! It was strategy and it could have worked! lol It did last year. I imagine next time a lot more drivers with be trying to use fuel strategy! It's so good to see Jr. moving forward instead of going backwards!!! I still have a lot of confidence in Dale, Jr. and the #88 team! He started 30th and ended up 14th. That probably won't mean much to a lot of people but being the optimistic person I am, it means a lot. GO JR GO!!!!!!

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    matthewallenhughes said:
    Jun 14, 2009 at 8:42 PM

    Come on, MotorsportsPhotography... I actually respect you and your points but let's not twist things up here... I was listening to the same thing that you were and yes, it's true that he got upset with T.J. because he said he couldn't see his pit box around the 21 car, but come on, he didn't want to miss his pit box again... Can you blame him? He didn't cuss at Lance every breath and didn't F this and F that....yeah, he said some words, but not particularly towards Lance, and plus, that's just Junior... more drivers than Junior do that, I promise you... I admit, he's a little mean to T.J. at times, but like EVERY OTHER DRIVER who gets frustrated with their spotter, Junior respects the hell out of T.J. and Lance both.... I just don't understand why a couple of weeks ago Greg Biffle said the F word about 6 times in one sentence, but he didn't catch hell for it, but yet, Junior did.... Interesting how that works isn't it?

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    matthewallenhughes said:
    Jun 14, 2009 at 8:42 PM

    And plus, he never told Lance that he didn't trust his calls

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    gwen_susie388 said:
    Jun 14, 2009 at 8:48 PM

    #3 Dale....Did you watch the race??? Only one person that ran out of gas caused Dale,JR. to gain a position! It's called racing and strategy!! The more you talk, the more I know you don't have a clue! All you do is go into articles,not to talk about the articles but to talk bad about Dale, Jr. and his fans! You like to call people out on their comments!!! AND MOTORSPORTS.... why weren't you listening to your driver? Why haven't you had any comments about your boy KB lately? What he did really got to you didn't it????? Admit it!!! Jr. is way better to talk about right? Jr. didn't finish in the top ten and neither did your guy!!!!!! Talk about that! I don't care to hear what you say you heard on the radio because I don't believe you! Did you know we get to hear what Jr. and Lance have to say on the radio too????? #3 Dale and You MSP have got to be the two most negative people I have ever seen! GO JR GO!!!!!!

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    SS396Chevelle said:
    Jun 14, 2009 at 8:50 PM

    #4 For someone working for toyota what are doing listening to Jr for more then half of the race? Is everyone in a toyota obsessed over what Jr does or say? The 18 went backwards right from the start, another week where he was no factor in the race. I guess those bankrupt Chevy's still find the winners circle. In my book starting 2nd and finishing 13th due to two cars running out of gas is the main story.

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    SS396Chevelle said:
    Jun 14, 2009 at 9:00 PM

    Right on Gwen! It's nice to know someone else knows MSP is a phony. He sure has nothing positive to say about his guy as he went 0 for 3. Beat out by two 20 year olds and a man over 50. So there is nothing for him to do but pick on Jr. It's the same old story if KB does bad lets pick on Jr. Find someone else to pick on.

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    lhsjrf said:
    Jun 14, 2009 at 9:24 PM

    Way to go JR. Slowly but surely, you will get there.

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    KenL88 said:
    Jun 14, 2009 at 10:05 PM

    #8 Great post and comments and MSP I don't know what scanner you were on but I was on sprint scanner and did not here half the things you said. So why don't you go comment as Gwen said on KB wonderboy not. As always negative here Dale had a great response again this week on KB the jerk. So Jr.Nation don't comment on KB Jr said he's just trying to get people to his website. Right on because thats the only way he will get people there its not because his is popular or anything. He's just a poor immature jerk

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    matthewallenhughes said:
    Jun 14, 2009 at 10:17 PM

    NO MotorsportsPhotography, he didn't cuss LANCE out... he was cussin about the car... but I'll tell you what, you don't give anybody else hell about gettin upset when their car is a little off... No Motorsports you don't get it.... Like I said earlier, I respect you a lot, because you seem like you know a lot about the sport, but Lance likes Junior and Junior likes Lance and both of them think the communication is good... so whatever works is fine.... That's the way that he does it compared to some of the other drivers, but they get just as frustrated sometimes

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    KenL88 said:
    Jun 14, 2009 at 10:19 PM

    The one who needs serious help here is you MSP. Mr. know it all as usual. Dale stats speak for themselves he is not the only driver out there having problems.He is working with Lance I've heard so many drivers tell there crew chief whats going on with the car. And Lance will put him in his place when he needs to they are trying.Dale was right last week when he said to Lance about a part failure when they took it to the shop he was right.Jr knows whats going on the the car. Did you listin to KB today rainting about his car as well.Because his in car is usual the worst of all the drivers.

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    matthewallenhughes said:
    Jun 14, 2009 at 10:29 PM

    That's a good point #15, because I'm pretty sure that one of Motorsports' favorite drivers is... oh what's his name.... Kyle Busch? Is that it? Yeah, I'm pretty sure it is.... What does he do when the car isn't running right? Oh that's right, HE YELLS AT EVERYBODY... he's UNPROFESSIONAL as Motorsports would put it..He is the biggest crybaby in the sport when his car isn't running right... but yet, MotorsportsPhotography has the audacity to talk about Junior.. Ah, a taste of your own medicine tastes good doesn't it Motorsports?

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    Indychic317 said:
    Jun 14, 2009 at 11:18 PM

    baby steps moving forward are better then none at all. Go Junior!

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    motorsportsphotography said:
    Jun 14, 2009 at 11:53 PM

    #15, You crack me up with your Dales stats speak for themselves. His stats stink. His teammates are always in the Top 5 and he is always out of the Top 10. He had no chance of winning today when his teammates were up there all day long. He is the only HMS car that isn't doing a thing. You will make up excuses for him till the season ends while his teammates go to Vegas without him. He isn't even capable of being in the Chase as long as he has the attitude he has. He blames the car, the spotter, the crew chief and anything else he can think of. And don't put Kyle into this subject because he has nothing to do with Dale running bad. At least he is up there racing and not riding around the top of the racetrack all day. You live in dreamland with the rest of his fans that make excuses up for him every week. I cant wait for the excuses this weekend in Infineon. Maybe he should go to Milwaukee instead.

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    Rowdy4life said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 12:08 AM

    Rowdy led 232 laps in all 3 races this weekend. How many did Jr lead? Oh, that's right. ZERO. OVERRATED. Face it, HES OVER.

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    cmwel2000 said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 12:26 AM

    you people should all stop letting motorsports photography get to you. he is a phony. he doesnt have any "inside" information. he never states anything that you didnt hear in the broadcast or could read on the internet. i dont know what his problem is but he is just trying to make himself feel better by portraying an "expert insider". spare me the bull. if you cant see that the 88 car is making small improvements every week, then YOU are the one thats in denial. they are gaining on it and it scares all the kyle busch fans. he actually passed your boy ON THE TRACK today and he hasnt been able to do that since last spring. stay tuned folks. oh yeah, rowdy4life, he couldnt close the deal, and the only lap that counts is the last one. NASCAR is not a kyle busch vs. dale jr show anyway so lighten up people!!!

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    klaemmer said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 12:43 AM

    Well I rather listen to what Howard has to say than the people who are on here watching from the TV. He is there every week and knows a lot more that you and that's what bothers some of you. He tells it like it is about all the drivers, not just Jr. I read his posts and he says things about KB too. Some of you just have problems with people who know more than you.

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    still4de88 said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 12:52 AM

    MAYBE IF JR HAD A GIRLFRIEND HE MIGHT RUN BETTER. I HEARD KYLE MIGHT HAVE A FEW LEFTOVERS FOR HIM. HE MAY BE A EARNHARDT BUT HE DRIVES LIKE BODINE. LMAO MAYBE NASTYCAR SHOULD JUST GIVE HIM A RACE TO SHUT EVERYONE UP.

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    WERNERBUMFART said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 12:54 AM

    I think Jr needs glasses because he couldnt even see that red car in front of him today.

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    cmwel2000 said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 1:04 AM

    oh please #21, listen to the poser if you want. he has been wrong so many times its not even funny. EVERY DRIVER OUT THERE GETS FRUSTRATED AND CUSSES AND YELLS ON THE RADIO EVERY WEEK. jr is the only one that gets crucified for it. you people are so biased, i almost cant stand these nascar new sites anymore because you people try to examine every little detail and condemn people for their actions as if you are so perfect at YOUR place of employment, jerks. its nascar and its suppose to be fun.

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    GeorgeThompson said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 1:29 AM

    Ok, I just got home from the race today and I will have to say that I was as disappointed as a lot of the people in the stands. I pull for the 48 24 and 88 and I wanted JJ to win today but Michigan is Michigan and it bit him. I will also say since this has been the topic tonite that I listen to all my drivers and I heard Jr say things disrespectful to his spotter and crew chief. I think that he needs to grow up some. He should be happy to be driving for such a great organization like Hendrick. If he worked for me he would not talk to me like he talked to his fellow crew members today. I think he could be a good driver but he needs some supervision. Maybe that will happen soon.

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    JGRFan4Life said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 4:08 AM

    #24, what a load of bull that is.

    Yes, Jr. gets more than a normal about of flack for complaining, but when Shrub complains about something there are a hundred comments calling him a crybaby. He gets "crucified" more than Jr.

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    dale-jr-is-the-greatest-driver-alive said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 6:01 AM

    motorsportsphotography ive got too say when i was talking to a couple of kyle busch fans they told me how kyle was cussing at everything and he was even quoted saying at the end of the race "i dont know whats wrong with the car, yall better fix this, cause it aint me, and if it is, yall should fire me." and yes i was on juniors channel with direct t.v hotpass and junior was posting up top 7 speed times when he was back their in 21 coming to the front. and he was doing close to the same when he was up in the top ten so its understandable that he got frustrated when the car went away from him as kyle busch was also. but hey lance did his job a got a hold of junior and told him what to do which was shut-up and drive. and at the end when he was conserving fuel and fell back well so was everybody but he did it early and fell back but still came up and was so close to passing kyle dang just one more lap and hed have been in he top 10 cause he was within striking distance of atleast 5 cars

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    jr88fan said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 7:14 AM

    to the person above, Correct me if I'm wrong but you just said Lance told Jr "To shut up and drive" What does that tell you. It tells me that Jr is back to his old self. the way he was with Eury Jr. If his new crew chief is already having the same problems as his old one, how long do you think this one will last? And Motorsports makes some valid points. A 14th place finish when his teammates are all in the top 5 is unacceptable.

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    jr88fan said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 7:18 AM

    Are comments posting???

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    SS396Chevelle said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 7:24 AM

    MSP you have made it clear that you work for toyota racing and you are always at the toyoto display at every race. You have no inside information to share with us. You told us about Vickers, well I heard that on Nascar radio hours before you made the post. #21 you are product of propaganda. MSP has only praise KB and all the records he has set, except for the ones that count winning championships. #19 you crack me up... It doesn't mean a thing to lead all those laps... YOU NEED TO LEAD THE LAST LAP. KB was 0 for 3 on leading the last lap.

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    sstarbraintree said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 8:00 AM

    Hey Kenl88

    here is a jr stat for you to look up 1 win in 123 races. i am a red sox fan and for 86 years our motto was "wait until next year" every week i read what until next week. 123 races is more than 123 weeks good luck

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    matthewallenhughes said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 8:07 AM

    First of all #18, we're going to bring Kyle into this conversation because it happens on every Junior article and vice versa with every Kyle article.... And the reason that we're going to bring Kyle into this conversation is that he seems to be one of your favorite drivers..... You always say how talented he is and how much better he is than Junior but yet... Let me say this again..... KYLE BUSCH YELLS AT HIS CREW CHIEF, HIS SPOTTER, EVERYBODY ON HIS RADIO WHEN HIS CAR ISN'T RIGHT WHICH IS THE SAME THING THAT YOU ACCUSE JUNIOR OF DOING.... You say that it's unprofessional of Junior to do that (even though I still say that Junior doesn't do it as bad as you think) but yet one of your favorite drivers is Kyle Busch who always does that.... Interesting..... As for his stats... we're talking about career stats, not this year's stats because the stats in the long run are what matters, not one year, BECAUSE ANYBODY CAN HAVE A BAD YEAR

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    motorsportsphotography said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 8:10 AM

    Poor, Poor SS396CHEVELLE, Listen to yourself. You have never commented on the topic, just about me and what I have to say. Why don't you sit in that chair of yours with your dad and talk about the great bankrupt company he use to work for. And as for the idiots like you who have to bring Kyle into a subject that is about Dale I guess you must have Kyle on your mind more than your own driver. Its really pathetic. You are no racefan.

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    matthewallenhughes said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 8:10 AM

    And #3, you just keep MAKING UP things to nag Junior about.... Let's reverse this to Greg Biffle and Jimmie Johnson... now, if you think that Jimmie Johnson (who was behind Greg
    Biffle) or Mark Martin (behind Jimmie Johnson) wasn't hoping that Biffle wouldn't run out of gas then you're as crazy as hell.... more drivers than Junior wanted people to run out of gas

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    matthewallenhughes said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 8:13 AM

    No Motorsports, you seem to think about Junior an awful lot even though you hate him... so look in the mirror before you comment about something... also, I don't wanna hear this whole "Don't bring Kyle into this" deal, because that is always your argument against Junior... always... You always talk about how much more talented than Junior he is and stuff like that so don't say "Don't bring him into this"

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    motorsportsphotography said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 8:19 AM

    #32, Get this straight. I take shots of all 43 drivers.I could careless about any of them. Its all about money to me. I have about 3 or 4 favorite drivers and they never finish in the top 5 but they are real race car drivers and they are the most respected drivers in the series.

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    timmytoad1 said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 8:26 AM

    All I know is that by my stats Jr needs to gain 24 points a race for the last 11 races just to get into the chase. Aint gonna happen unless he starts winning alot of races. In his 3 races with the new crew chief things aint lookin good for the future!!!

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    matthewallenhughes said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 8:26 AM

    Oh #36, so you have no outright favorite racecar driver? All about the money to you? So you're one of those money-loving phsycos who have a pile of money in their livingroom that they sleep on.... Just Kidding... No MotorsportsPhotography, I don't agree with you most of the time, but I do respect you and your opinions

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    motorsportsphotography said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 8:50 AM

    Its funny how some of you can say what a great driver Dale is and you have all this confidence that he will win championships. You back him up like he was part of your family. But the fact is Dale himself has no desire and lacks the confidence to win championships. When we were winding down the season last year and Dale said he didn't care if he went to NY or not it shocked a lot of people. And even Rick was disappointed in Dales season last year. If you think that for 1 minute that Rick will honor his remaining 3 years if he doesn't perform you are sadly mistaken. Rick wants his drivers on stage or he gets rid of them.

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    wernerimafart said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 9:05 AM

    Everyone was racing on fuel strategy. As a matter of fact the winner of the race was one of those. I listened to Jrs radio, too. He did tell Lance what to do, but he quickly retracted and told Lance to make the calls. What you thought was him questioning Lance's calls was Jr relating to past history and what usually happens. And, the words shut up and drive was not said, but Lance telling Jr history was just that...history. It was the suggestion of forget the past and drive. I personally think Junior and Lance will eventually make a very good team. Goooooooo Junebug!!!!

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    matthewallenhughes said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 9:12 AM

    MotorsportsPhotography, you SAY that you take shots at all the drivers, but the only one that I ever hear you take shots at is Junior... As a matter of fact, I have NEVER EVER heard you take a shot at Kyle Busch.... if what you say is true... that you take shots at all drivers... then take a shot at Kyle Busch right now... I dare you

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    tonys-the-man14 said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 9:24 AM

    I like Junior and I think he will win a championship, but not before Tony does, again. Hendrick said the goal set for Jr last year was to make the chase, he did that. But MSP you probably know what Hendrick is thinking better than he does. My guess would be Hendrick IS disappointed in his performance this year. However, as long as Lance and Junior keep making advances the rest of this season your suggestion that Hendrick will be getting rid of Junior is just not feasible. IMHO.

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    jbmajestic said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 11:18 AM

    #15, funny how when Jr is criticized that
    you immediately changed the converstation to Kyle Busch. He seems to be a scapegoat for the less educated Nascar fans. Most drivers show emotion using curse words, so really there is no use making it an issue, because the more educated fans already know what is said on the in-car scanners. Jr and Kyle are no different. They dont tell you all how to talk at your job. This is no different. If fams dont like the language, heres a simple solution; dont use the scanner.

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    sandra-clark said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 11:21 AM

    Well I figured it would be just a matter of time before the know it all commentors would show up with their usual negative statements.
    #40 Thanks for stating the facts. Jr. never once cursed Lance. Jr. was frustrated with a couple of things, but he didn't curse anyone out. That's Jr's way of venting. I doubt very seriously that he is very different than other drivers who get frustrated. Lance and Jr. will be fine. I just wonder if those of you who are so negative all the time had to listen to someone putting you down how well you would perform. Not very well I would bet.
    Wonder if we could put the word out on MSP and several others about how poorly they perform what would happen.

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    dale said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 12:20 PM

    Gwen, apparently you weren't watching the finish of the race and didn't bother to READ the quote from Jr. in the article above. Here it is copied from the above article - “Not as many people ran out as we thought would. It was a pretty good weekend. We ran pretty good in the race, we have to get a little bit better and we are definitely seeing some signs of improvement.” Maybe you should pay more attention before making a fool of yourself.
    As to being "negative", I guess stating FACTS in your life is considered being negative. You may not like my opinions on certain things, but hey, it is my right to have my own opinions. At least I know the difference between FACTS and OPINIONS and clearly indicate which is which.

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    dale said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 12:21 PM

    matthewallenhughes, please show something that I have made up?

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    dale said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 12:22 PM

    Gwen, btw, Jimmy Johnson and Greg Biffle both ran out of fuel before the end of the race. Those two allowed Jr. (and everyone else that was behind them) to move up 2 spots. Maybe you should actually start watching the races before commenting on them.

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    cmwel2000 said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 12:40 PM

    maybe you should dale, because biffle still ran 5th running out of gas thus not allowing jr to move up 2 spots, just one due to JJ.

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    matthewallenhughes said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 12:46 PM

    #46, What I meant was you were making up things about the finishing order because.... You are right that both Greg Biffle and Jimmie Johnson ran out of fuel... But where you're wrong is when you say that that moved Junior up 2 spots.... It actually only moved Junior up one spot because Jimmie Johnson ran out coming to the White Flag, whereas Greg Biffle ran out in Turn 3... Biffle finished 5th and Johnson 22nd... Junior finished 14th, which means that Biffle actually didn't slip back as far in the finishing order because he was closer to the line when he ran out than Jimmie Johnson was.... That being said, you were also saying negative stuff about how you were supposed to try to win the race instead of hoping someone else would have bad luck, but like I said before, Junior isn't any different than any other driver out there in that respect because like I said, if you think that Jimmie Johnson and Mark Martin weren't hoping that Greg Biffle wouldn't run out of fuel, then you're as crazy as hell. More than just Junior wanted other people to run out of gas.... It's called strategy

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    motorsportsphotography said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 12:54 PM

    I love it how you all just sit on here and say you listen to Dale and Lance but never hear what they really say. You must have selective hearing and only hear what you want to hear or you don't listen at all and just say you do.Either way you all like living in the Dale Jr fantasy world. And to #42, Rick had said that he was disappointed the end of last year not this year. Im sure this year he is super disappointed. And to #41, shots as in pictures.

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    dale-jr-is-the-greatest-driver-alive said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 1:36 PM

    motorsportsphotography dont judge my calls cause im on his channel through out the whole race and he never cussed at lance but did tell him to change the changes back then he retracted his statements and told lance to do whatever they thought would help then he told lance were he was having problems.

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    matthewallenhughes said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 1:38 PM

    Oh, but who are your favorite drivers then Motorsports?

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    wolverine-2009 said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 1:59 PM

    Lance must go home and pound the walls. I would not allow anyone to speak to me in that manner.
    I think many things are wrong in Dale's world.
    Duff's Mom commented in a previous article, if they concentrate on his real issues, people would not be happy with the findings. Not word 4 word.
    I agree. He has deep seeded emotional issues he must resolve.
    Perhaps, he does not want to race. He likes the fame and wealth. He does not have either if he is not racing.
    Racing must encompass all aspects of life, not an aspect of life. He should make the necessary changes before Rick makes the next change. Driver. My opinions.

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    gwen_susie388 said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 2:00 PM

    DALE #45 and #47 I see my fellow posters have already straightened you out about those FACTS of yours. As I clearly stated in my POST #8 only one person that ran out of gas caused Dale, JR. to gain a position! Now how did I know that??? I watched the race from beginning to end. Be careful Dale in your #45 post about calling someone a fool, it will surely come back to bite you!! Oh another thing, I sure was hoping other drivers didn't use fuel strategy and would run out of gas just like Dale, JR. and other drivers were hoping for! BTW Michigan is not the only track you have to use fuel strategy on! Just a head's up on that! I really feel sorry for you for what you said in both of your #45 and #47 post's. Especially about knowing the difference between FACTS and OPINIONS. You have a good day!!! GO JR. GO!!!!!!

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    matthewallenhughes said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 2:02 PM

    Everybody, think about what you're saying when you say it. Everybody who says that Rick Hendrick will let Junior go is wrong. They HOPE that that is what will happen, but look at it logically. Junior is signed with Hendrick Motorsports through 2012. That means Rick Hendrick still has 3 more years to honor Junior's contract. I don't know the specifications of the contract, but I'm pretty sure that if he let Junior go, that he would owe him a hell of a lot of money.

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    sandra-clark said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 2:09 PM

    This is really pitiful. It is so disheartening even reading so called opinions I am going to unsubscribe to this web site. I will certainly let someone of authority with scene daily know my concerns and why I am selecting to unsubscribe.

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    wolverine-2009 said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 2:13 PM

    Matt,

    Rick never imagined the drama surrounding Dale. He has more drama than a 17-year old meeting two girls at the same party.
    Only Rick knows what he will do, but, the three Hendrick drivers and Tony and Ryan show Dale up each weekend.
    Jeff faltered last week, but improved to a 2nd place finish, Sunday.
    It is Dale's attitude. Thus far, in his life, his name has been his protector. This is no longer the case. Engineers and whomever else, are hands on for Dale. It cannot be said he was not given a fair chance.
    If he does not make the chase, mathmatically, it is proving not, we will read of the changes.

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    wolverine-2009 said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 2:16 PM

    Sandra,
    Everyone is entitled to an opinion.
    You may not like the words, that is fine.
    Everyone does not think Dale is the greatest or will become the greatest.
    It is silly, my opinion, to unsubscribe because you do not like the fact, everyone does not say, Dale is great, he gave us chocolate cake.

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    wolverine-2009 said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 2:19 PM

    Sandra,
    Everyone is entitled to an opinion.
    You may not like the words, that is fine.
    Everyone does not think Dale is the greatest or will become the greatest.
    It is silly, my opinion, to unsubscribe because you do not like the fact, everyone does not say, Dale is great, he gave us chocolate cake.

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    matthewallenhughes said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 2:35 PM

    Well #57, as a Junior fan I have to say that it is very highly improbable that Junior will make the Chase, but Kurt Busch didn't make the Chase last year and they didn't get rid of him. And look where he is now. I don't agree that the 88 needs a driver change, but I do respect you. I respect everybody's opinion. It's your opinion and everybody has a right to one and I like the way that you put up your points without getting aggresive. P.S. You calling me 'Matt' was pretty cool too, because only my closest friends call me that. It makes it sound like a personal conversation.

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    jarautoracing said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 2:35 PM

    Some on here are just blind to the fact that Jr has real problems. I listen to certain people on here because they know the facts and they are at the track and see what goes on, while the other ones on here sit home and speculate on what goes on. MSP you bring up good points every week and you tell it like it is. Even when your driver Broke that guitar you told us that it was wrong. I don't think your bias toward any driver. But some on her think Jr is God almighty and he is not. He can't even begin to measure up to Mark martin who is in his first year over there and has 3 wins already and Jr cant even finish. WOLVERINE2009, You are also correct in the things you say.The drama at Hendrick must be unbelievable. Mr H has the best of the best and then he has Jr. It must be a drag to answer those phones on Monday and explain how one of his drivers is a dud for the past year and a half. I wish he would just go to JRM and let Brad drive the 88. It would be much better for all.

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    gwen_susie388 said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 2:41 PM

    Sandra-Clarke, while you are going to un-subscribe, I am about to go subscribe with Scene Daily! I like their articles. I just hadn't thought about it before! Thanks!

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    jarautoracing said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 2:42 PM

    Everybody should read this article an pay attention to the last lines............... Jeff Gluck: How much should certain Sprint Cup drivers worry about missing the Chase?

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    wolverine-2009 said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 2:43 PM

    Gosh, Matt.
    I am warm all over, (smile)! I am girl, so it will creep you out. hahahaha!
    I do not why Dale has faltered for 2009.
    I think it something personal. We know if we have issues at home, at times, they go with us to work.
    I would think Rick wants immediate results, win/top 10's, top 5's in results. If indeed, Tony Jr. was the issue.
    Time is not want he has. Dale must change his attitude.

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    sandra-clark said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 2:43 PM

    Wolverine you are so right you are entitled to your opinion but it certainly gets old listening to all the negatives that people have to say about someone. That doesn't make it right. I am a Jr. fan and will always be a Jr. fan. I see that he has problems but the media and negativeness don't exactly help the situation. There are some that respond on these articles that truly don't have a clue. I certainly am not in a position to comment on HMS programs and what does or doesn't go on. I listen scanner very carefully each Sunday. In fact I have found a way to circumvent this type of forum and still get up to date news. That's the option I will choose from hence forward.

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    sandra-clark said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 2:45 PM

    Wolvervine

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    matthewallenhughes said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 2:50 PM

    Nah 64, it doesn't creep me out. But give Junior a little bit of time... The problem is that he doesn't have time... I admit that Junior has some issues with his attitude, but look... He has been running so bad this year, can you really blame him? Everybody, like Junior or not, on this Website saw that car at Phoenix, and at Charlotte, and even at Pocono last week.. those cars were evil and he did a good job just to keep them under control... Junior getting mad and stuff is nothing new and he won 18 races with it, so it must work pretty well... the thing is to have somebody who can take that and laugh about it and move on... that is something that Tony Sr. could do and that's why he had so much success with him... Tony Jr. couldn't do that, because if the car wasn't right, he got all down in the dumps and stuff... Lance McGrew is definitely a guy that can take it and laugh and forget about it so him and Junior will be a good match

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    sandra-clark said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 2:55 PM

    Hey Gwen do you mean subscribe to the magazine? That's what I just found out when I googled Scene daily. In fact I am going to subscribe the magazine.

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    gwen_susie388 said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 3:00 PM

    Sandra-Clarke. I respect whatever opinion you have and understand you don't like the negative responses. I'm not trying to be ugly.....and I mean I am not......but you invited the naysayers in with your #1 post.

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    gwen_susie388 said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 3:07 PM

    Yes I mean subscribe to the magazine.:-)

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    jr88fan said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 3:15 PM

    Hendrick wanted immediate results when they switched crew chiefs, it didn't happen. Now what, switch them back. I think Jr has problems communicating and he needs help but how that will happen who knows. Time is running out. This season cant be salvaged. Its a shame.

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    rockintyler said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 3:23 PM

    Wohoo 14th place finish? This isn't something to be hyped up about. It's pathetic to be hyped up about a 14th place finish and up to 18th place in the standings as a driver most consider a higher caliber driver. He's gonna need a lot more to make the Chase, which by the way isn't going to happen sorry to break the hope Jr fans.

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    gwen_susie388 said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 3:29 PM

    MSP...Shane on you for that post #33! The poster that you were referring to.........His Dad is no longer alive and you knew that!!! Sometime you can go to far MSP!! If you are the man I think you are, you should apologize to him for that! And if you didn't know it, you do now!

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    rowdy4life said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 3:35 PM

    KB has jrs back. He is goin to push jr to some wins. I mean he feels sorry for jr. So he will put the bumper to him and push him across the line this week. really. they are good friends. its a big secret. he is going to get him a girlfriend too. really. its a big secret.

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    dale-jr-is-the-greatest-driver-alive said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 3:38 PM

    man how come no one talked about kyle finishing 13 or how he finished 22nd the week before or how he even finished 20 something at Dover he hasn't had a finish above 13th in over a month yet all they talk bout is junior

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    gwen_susie388 said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 3:39 PM

    MSP.... I meant shame..... before the spelling checkers get here!!

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    rowdy4life said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 3:39 PM

    every once in awhile, KB likes to help out his fellow drivers and this is his way of showing jr that he cares for him and loves him like a brother. really, its a big secret.

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    dale-jr-is-the-greatest-driver-alive said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 3:46 PM

    kyle is some what faultering but then again i could be wrong and maybe their in a rebuilding mode as well but whetever it is they need to work harder aswell and if im going off a theory from junior critics then it could be the driver fault even tho hes won 15 races right i mean thats what they said about junior and how even tho he has over 15 wins and has the talent its all his fault that they were faultering. and dont tell me kyles team isn't because of him because it always seems to be the drivers fault plus he does have top equipment as well. and tho kyle did great last year, he was first in points untill the chase cause so was junior who was second in points until the chase

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    br0412 said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 3:55 PM

    If you want to complain about something, complain about the negative driver Kyle is. He can drive but that is all he has going for him and he hates everyone who has friends. He can't even get his brother to like him because he has no concern for anyone except himself.
    If you do not like like the way Jr talks, stop listening to him.

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    diamond56 said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 3:59 PM

    Jr. Nation still behind you 100%. Just hope you can get the car dialed in for the last half of the race and come forward not backwards. I know it's hard but try not to get negative during the race, that attracts negative things to happen and it just gets worse, be POSITIVE, that will attract better things to come your way, possibly even a win.
    Still love ya and wish you all the best!!

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    matthewallenhughes said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 3:59 PM

    Look #71, I can tell that you are a Junior fan, and I'm a Junior fan too, but you don't know what Rick wanted. Nobody does. Everybody thinks that they know what Rick wants, but they don't.

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    matthewallenhughes said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 4:01 PM

    I'm sorry #71, I meant #70

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    dslund said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 4:04 PM

    Was so happy to hear the radio contact between you and Lance ..You sounded much more happy and all was so happy to hear that ..Well as I know it might not have been the day you were looking for but 14th wasn't shabby by any means ...Your doing better and working better together seems like so we the fans are happy to see it is all coming together so happy to hear ..keep digging and I am sure you'll keep picking off a few more spots ..Go Jr. Go !!!!

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    dale-jr-is-the-greatest-driver-alive said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 4:05 PM

    but in short if you go off by the way dale junior critics judge a team that has atleast good equipment then its all the drivers fault

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    Werner said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 4:24 PM

    i'm not going to say anything about 2 drivers, cause it's gotten old...same thing every week...more talk about the drivers then the race itself...race fans?...pathetic......what i will say is that NASCAR is talking to more foreign mfgs...now what are we going to say about the racing we might get?...

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    DickHURTZ said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 4:24 PM

    I CAN'T BELIEVE THERE WERE ABOUT 20 STRAIGHT POST WITHOUT THE MENTION ABOUT KB. THIS ARTICLE WAS NOT ABOUT KB AND NO REFERENCE TO HIM WAS IN THE ARTICLE. IT'S THE JR. NATION WHO KEEPS BRINGING UP KB. PS BYE - BYE SANDRA-CLARK - WE'LL MISS YOU...

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    Werner said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 4:32 PM

    #22 and #39...unless those are your real names...discontinue the use of the referance to my name or i will report it as abuse...

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    dale-jr-is-the-greatest-driver-alive said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 4:37 PM

    haha dickhurtz dale junior critics bring up dale jr on others articles al the time so i said whatever imma do what they do and compare them and you know what i said was pretty true

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    dale-jr-is-the-greatest-driver-alive said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 4:40 PM

    i say im all in i mean what the heck they already have Toyota why not bring in everyone else i would love to see Ferrari and Audi in the race vs. the American cars how awesome would that be

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    rowdy4life said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 5:02 PM

    • Dale Earnhardt Jr. (18th). This has been obvious for quite some time, and with new crew chief Lance McGrew failing to become the greatest magician since Lance Burton, Junior Nation and its driver might as well just focus on 2010. Earnhardt Jr. is 255 points out of the Chase, and even if he started running up front every week, that margin would be extremely difficult to overcome. Wait ‘til next year, Junior fans.

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    hwe said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 5:02 PM

    The 88 team will soon hit the set-up that they need and Jr will run with the rest of the HMS drivers. You know it might be nice to lead the most laps in a race,but if you aren't leading on the last lap,who cares. I am NOT talking about JJ,he took it like a man.Do any of you remember who led the most laps 2 yrs ago,I'm sure one ,msp will,but I mean normal fans.There are other drivers close to falling out of the top 12,for me,it's not the end of the world,drivers make or not. don't they still get the money if they win a race.We aren't talking life and dead here.I'm proud to be part of Jr nation and we love and back our driver,Dale Jr.as long as we breathe.

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    Turning_Left said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 5:03 PM

    Hey, motorsportsphotography. Who are your 5 favorite drivers? Inquiring minds want to know.

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    hwe said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 5:18 PM

    #62,sorry for you,if youthink MSP knows what he is talking about,he's been caught in so many lies,but you are probably trying to be funny,so ha-ha.

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    bthompson133 said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 5:39 PM

    jr's the problem. he can't drive the cot!!!!!!!!

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    ipopakeg said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 5:41 PM

    SANDRA-CLARK! If you want to Ray Charle's(HIT THE ROAD JACK) on this sight that's up to you! Something before you go, reporting anything to Scene Daily unless it's vulgar won't do you any good what so ever! This sight is set up for this very reason,to go head to head with each other,trade off fact's and opinion's! I know some of the time people drift off the subject or just dwell on one thing only! You can help change that with your knowledge,instead of just taking off! I to said if the sight started to sound like a C.B. RADIO I was gone! There are alot of people on here that know what they are talking about,and some that don't! My driver is Harvick,JR., Martin,Edward's,then anyone that beat's bush! You have to have a few different driver's or one wreck and your race is over! Hate is a pretty strong word,usually followed by stupidity! Everyone say's I hate this or that,without it meaning,BODILY HARM! Don't sweat the small stuff,hang around,even if msp & 396 are on here just to get on each other's nerve's! If they think they (msp espically) can run you off,he will! msp need's to stick to racing(if he know's how) & lay off the family member's! That just show's no class! He also stated he could care less #35 It's could'nt care less! He also say's he does'nt have a driver! Why is he on this sight then,running his mouth? It's like being at the KENTUCKY DERBY without a horse! What a piece of work this clown is! Hang around, it's going to get better!

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    said said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 6:07 PM

    Dale Jr, who is that. Oh that washed up driver who hasn't done a thing since 2004! He needs to go back to changing oil at his dads dealership.

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    said said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 6:09 PM

    heck, even an old man is better than he is.

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    Werner said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 6:15 PM

    it was once mentioned years back, that of the Earnhardt kids...Kelly was actually the best driver out of the 3...it would have been interesting...

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    mom said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 6:55 PM

    motorsportsphotography You are about the biggest joke on this board. If you had a brain, I'm pretty sure you'd take it out and play with it. Thank God you're not part of the Jr Nation.

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    motorsportsphotography said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 7:31 PM

    I see the idiots of the JR Nation are out. #98, The only joke is you. You show just how uneducated Jr Nation fans are by your post. Why would anyone want to belong to a group of people who follow a driver that has 1 fuel mileage win in 141 starts. #92, Lies, maybe that's what you do but I state the facts that you cant handle.

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    ipopakeg said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 7:35 PM

    SAID! #96 If you think 50 is old, boy do you have alot to learn! That's a wily ole fox out there that alot of driver's go to when the going get's rough! He's forgot more about racing that anyone on this sight know's,including myself! He waited for his chance then made his move! I had mixed feeling's when Harvick,(my driver) took the 500 from him by a nose,and I think once he win's that,he will be gone! I hope he stay's around racing,JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER DRIVER & ANNOUNCER IN NASCAR! He has more class in his little finger,that bush has in his 24 year old,skinny body!

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    matthewallenhughes said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 7:42 PM

    Very funny #91... The only reason that I asked him that was to try to get something on him so that I could use it against him... I don't really care who his favorite drivers are... All I need to know and do know is that he hates the hell out of Junior... Hate isn't good... I may not like some drivers, but I don't hate anybody

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    GeorgeThompson said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 7:43 PM

    MOM, Why don't you go out and play in traffic along with the rest on here that don't add anything constructive to the conversation. Criticism is welcome and fun to read but a lot of you are just plain childish.

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    lilmofishin said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 7:53 PM

    hmm, I have never seen so many negative comments about the driver that the post is about. I guess people are finally seeing that Jr is no racecar driver. He showed it again Sunday.

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    sandra-clark said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 8:24 PM

    Hey Gwen I didn't take it as negative. I don't think you have to invite them, they just migrate to any article about JR. I have been reading these posts for at least a year now. The players don't really change to much. You have people like you who want to be up beat and pro Jr. and then you have others (no names mentioned) who always want to feed the fires. There are some really nice people who post who have a more positive approach. Then you have the wild and crazies. Then you have the down right negative people who really never have anything good to say always "stating their opinion". It's just that their opinions over time get really old because they say the same things over and over.

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    paradisflcanuck said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 8:25 PM

    I have been reading all you Jr. haters posts and ya'll are REALLY PATHETIC.
    1
    NOTHING ELSE TO DO EXCEPT BASH JR??
    get a life!!!
    Go volunteer to sweep the sidewalks or something. You make NO sense at all.
    GO JR!!!!!!

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    matthewallenhughes said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 8:32 PM

    Man, it's pitiful that all people wanna do is sit here and bash Junior all the time.

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    SS396Chevelle said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 8:45 PM

    MSP You have proven over and over your lack of knowledge with Nascar and with automobiles. Calling me an idiot only shows how little you know. I can't sit around and talk to my Dad about his bankrupt company GM, as he passed away AH. You made it clear knowing everything that Chevy is finished with Nascar... Well if my Dad was still here God Bless him, I would read him this... Red Bull to Chevy? It is very possible that Brian Vickers, winner of the pole at Michigan International Speedway on Friday, could be behind the wheel of the #83 Red Bull Chevy next season. Yes, Chevy. Over the last three years, the Red Bull program has worked to gain speed but has experienced some reliability issues with the Toyota Racing Development engines. Red Bull's contract with Toyota is up at the end of this season. And although General Motors likely cannot afford to support additional teams at this time, Austrian billionaire Dietrich Mateschitz, who owns race teams in both NASCAR and Formula One, could certainly afford to take on the role as Chevy parts customer. If Red Bull Racing was to make the switch to Chevy engines, Hendrick Motorsports would be the logical choice of vendor. Given Jay Frye's relationship with HMS, most recently during the management of Ginn Racing and MB2 Motorsports prior to that, there's a familiarity as a technical customer. Then laugh at your knowledge. My Dad is gone, but my ties with GM and Chevy Racing are very strong. I have no idea if Chrysler is pulling out of Nascar, but I know Chevy is not. So think about the bankrupt GM and why Red Bull wants out with Toyota. Now I will call you an idiot for insulting my Dad.

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    cggapp said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 8:50 PM

    I have just read everyones posts. I don't get why so many people who don't know Jr. hate jr. They must be jealous of all the media attention he gets and by the way he does not ask for. Also I only read negatives of his gas mileage win and nothing about tony Stewarts and Mark martins gas mileage wins. What is the difference? With jr. they don't count it, but with mark and Tony it is a great win. I am not part of Jr. nation, but do want to see him win along with several other drivers.

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    SS396Chevelle said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 9:00 PM

    MSP Am I missing something. A fuel mileage win is a win. The same as a rain out or a race going the entire distance. Jr crossed the finish line first after more then 400 miles. Do me a favor if you see KB tell him leading the most laps is fine, but in order to win you need to lead the last lap. You make fun of Jr and KB runs in the minor leagues and gets beat by two 20 year old's, then gets beat by a 50 year old. You call that great?

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    Werner said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 9:09 PM

    Chevelle...it is known that GM is going to pull back $$$ form the Cup...i just can't see anyone going to GM when the flagship team is Hendrick...at one time it was RCR...also NASCAR has already admitted to talking to some "other" mfg's..."Clearly there are some companies that are going to look at opportunities that may not have been there in the past," France said....i don't like it, but that's the way it is...

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    Werner said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 9:14 PM

    this bashing...it's one thing to talk facts about stats, race out comes, etc...but this name calling, talking down the drivers and families is uncalled for...it's playground stuff...we should be NASCAR Nation...let's make it better...not worse...

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    matthewallenhughes said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 9:18 PM

    Amen 111.... Amen

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    luvjunebug8 said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 9:21 PM

    Every time I comment on here I regret it. I try to think I know better than to get involved with such petty squabbing. It amazes me how grown people can listen to a driver/cc and hear total different meanings. I think it depends on whether you are a fan or a hater.
    It just amazes me how much controversy one young man just trying to drive his car can stir so many people up.
    I want to play the child's game of gossip. MSP and some on hear heard Dale being disrespectful to TJ and Lance. Okay, I heard frustration and worry of finding his pit. May ears heard it wasn't that he did not trust Lance. When Lance said he didn't have much faith in him. Dale said it's not you it's my history. Then Lance told Dale history is history.
    Dale thanked Lance and the crew after the race. He and TJ at one point were cutting up with each other after the point about the 21 car. I can recite the conversations mostly word for word. JMO.
    To the haters if you do not like the man. Why are you listening to his radio? Why not listen to a driver you like?
    You sure as "heck" are not going to change my opinion of the driver I choose to follow. That is one of the rewards of living in America.
    So why don't you back off and let this man live his own career. There are 43 awesome drivers out there. They all deserve to be there.
    Fan of #88 no matter how good or bad the season.

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    motorsportsphotography said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 9:22 PM

    #107, Your the one that does not have any knowledge of NASCAR or engines. I learned that when you started talking about the 409. You know nothing but what you have read about it. As soon as you started talking cams and you threw that little thing in there about kw. I knew you knew nothing about motors. Don't try to talk about things you don't know nothing about to someone that can take apart and build motors in their sleep. As far as Brian going to Chevy. I just saw Brian on Sunday he they are sticking with Toyota. Nice try. Go back to your books or where ever you get your info.

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    gwen_susie388 said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 9:22 PM

    Sandra Clark, I understand what you are saying and no you don't have to invite them in... A lot of times they get into the articles before we do. lol All I know is that people are going to be negative, positive, you have the I don't care attitudes and so forth and so on! I don't call people names and I don't want them calling me names! Soooooooooooo..... all of us and I am saying everyone who posts on Scene already knows what is going to be on almost every article! If there is nothing to argue about...disagree about then you will see an article without many posts! Sometimes things go to far! In my opinion, posters should leave other posters family out of the conversation and well as the family of drivers should not be brought into the conversation. But again.....just my opinion!

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    matthewallenhughes said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 9:31 PM

    #113, that is the best post that I have ever seen put on this website

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    klaemmer said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 9:45 PM

    Its oh so funny that the people doing the arguing are the ones that are suppose to be die hard fans of Jr. It seems that they just like to start things with people who know the facts. I guess they don't like to hear about the weaknesses of Jr. so they take it out on the people who know. Plus people can say anything they want on here. You don't moderate this site. If you don't like what someone else has to say, don't read it. Its that easy.

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    dale-jr-is-the-greatest-driver-alive said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 10:16 PM

    KLEAMER ARE YOU SERIOUS the first person to start the fight was dale with his #3 post and excuse me but it seems that we junior fans no more about what he does and say since we cater to listen to him more as i did when i watched him all day on direct t.v hot pass plus it also seems like kyle Busch fans don't like to listen about the truths about kyle Busch.

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    bthompson133 said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 10:17 PM

    you children need to learn how to play nice!

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    matthewallenhughes said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 10:18 PM

    Hey 117, here's my point... If you don't like Junior and you don't wanna hear about him don't click on the article

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    matthewallenhughes said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 10:18 PM

    (not directed towards you specifically 117)

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    SS396Chevelle said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 10:24 PM

    MSP Leave my Dad out of your posts. You make me sick. If you knew about any faults in the 409 and 396 then you would have mentioned the motor mounts. Instead you come up with a solid cam shaft. DUH it was solid lifters, all cam shafts are solid.. And you can take an engine apart in your sleep?? Stay away from my cars... I'd rather have a monkey working on it instead of you. BTW didn't you say you worked on cars which won 700 times in New England. Running once a week for 52 weeks you ran off a record 13 years of never losing.

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    motorsportsphotography said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 10:24 PM

    #107, I just love your knowledge of history on your other posts. You argued with someone else that you are a history buff. I find that pretty funny considering you said Patrick Henry was a traitor and was hung. I just want to tell you that Patrick Henry was a Patriot and he died of stomach cancer.

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    motorsportsphotography said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 10:31 PM

    #122, Again you prove you know nothing about motors. Lifters come 3 ways. Solid, Hyd, and roller. Lifters ride on the lobes of the cam. Motor mounts have nothing to do with the flawed valve placement in the combustion chambers of the 409 heads. That is why they did away with the scalloped heads in 65. They reconfigured the heads to rectangular which is the same head we use today. learn what you are talking about.

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    motorsportsphotography said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 10:41 PM

    And its 752 Wins, 447 of them were BB Modified and 303 were SB Modified, and 2 Sprint Car wins at over 47 tracks in 10 states and Canada. And by the way, Schrader, Kahne, Stewart, Edwards and a lot of others all lost to us.

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    KenL88 said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 10:58 PM

    Once again arguments about Jr. When I say his stats I'm referring to his driving records that are posted by the media and sports writers who all at one time or another agree that Jr.is a good driver has 18 wins etc. There are quite a few drivers having problems the last several years. If you people noticed his fans stick by him in good and bad. At the end of the season you will see that his fan base will still be in tack and happy because he appreciates his fans.

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    KenL88 said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 11:04 PM

    MSP I do believe JJ ran out of gas so fuel strategy was used again this year by others drivers as well and Dale wasn't at the bottom this week with the Henderick drivers. He finished 14. Mark was the smart one this week.

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    KenL88 said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 11:08 PM

    Oh and I guess at Pocono TonyS. fuel mileage win wasn't a win either because he saved fuel to win.But when Jr. did it last year it wasn't a win. JJ had the car to beat on Sunday raced to hard at the end and Mark got the win.

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    gwen_susie388 said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 11:29 PM

    KenL88 ....I just wanted you to know when I made a post about a certain topic... I never saw your post until I had already posted. That post was not directed to you by any means! It was to other posters who were saying things that just was uncalled for! No hard feelings I hope....:-)

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    motorsportsphotography said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 11:34 PM

    Ken, I don't compare Tony's win to Dales win. Tony had gas for his burnout and drove the car into VL. He raced that car to the end. dale on the other hand didn't. Knowing the race was going to be extended beyond its scheduled 200 laps, Tony told Dale to shut the engine off and coast whenever he could under the caution flag in a desperate effort to save more gas.
    Dale did just that, coasting fast enough at times that he passed the pace car until NASCAR warned Tony to have Dale cut it out. A lot of competitors called it cheating. And even Dale said he was lucky to get away with it.

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    motorsportsphotography said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 11:40 PM

    Plus, dont forget Dale had to be pushed into VL.

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    4-DA-88 said:
    Jun 15, 2009 at 11:58 PM

    Come on, please people, the omniscient has spoken. Haven't you learned by now not to dispute his word? He knows more about racing, car engines and yes.. American history, than anyone could ever begin to learn... If you choose to open discussion by questioning anything he writes then that makes you a complete idiot (his word, not mine). Don't believe me? Just ask him.

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    21still4de88 said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 12:42 AM

    GROW UP. YOUR ONE OF THE ONES THAT WE CANT STAND. YOU EVEN RESPELLED MY NAME. ISN'T IT PAST YOUR BEDTIME.

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    Turning_Left said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 6:52 AM

    Howard - Since when is fuel strategy not part of racing. I don't care how you cross the finish line, a win is a win.

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    matthewallenhughes said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 8:05 AM

    Well #131, you know what? A win is a win. In case you don't understand how this works allow me to explain it to you: Junior crossed the finish line first as the checkered flag was waved. Therefore, he was the winner of the race. It doesn't matter how he won it, he won it. End of story. He has the trophy and I'm sure he doesn't care what you think.

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    SS396Chevelle said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 9:00 AM

    MSP There was no flaw in the design of the 409 which was a bored out 348, which by the way came out in 1958 and was later used on truck engines mostly. You did say solid cam, not solid lifers. the cam rotates whether the lifters are solid or hydraulic. The motor mounts were an on and off issue on the 409 and 396 as I can attest to it. The high torque when the positraction rear end kicked in broke many motor mounts.. That sure is a lot of wins especially in New England and Canada. Those races on frozen lakes? Do you realize how short the racing season is in NE and Canada? With all that racing knowledge and wins you up to pick up a camera. Just amazing. That story I posted was after Vickers resigned with Red Bull. Are you positive Red Bull isn't going to Chevy????

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    matthewallenhughes said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 9:08 AM

    And that's true post #108.. Good point

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    SS396Chevelle said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 9:12 AM

    MSP, Now Dale's win is tainted... He passed the pace car and cheated... Unless there is an unknown rule, I'm under the impression if you pass the start finish line under a checkered flag you won the race. MSP isn't fuel strategy a big part of road course races?? I guess we don't count those races... oh KB won both of them last year so they do count. One last question does Reutimann's win count?

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  139. 139
    gwen_susie388 said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 9:52 AM

    Werner, I have been watching people use other peoples names also!Except they change one letter. If I hadn't caught that a few weeks ago, I would have been shocked at what I thought was the original poster's comments. I knew it wasn't you and I knew it wasn't the other's as well! It may be time for some of us to e-mail scene daily at what is going on! I know 4-da-88 went back to using their old handle because of it! And now someone comes on here and gives them heck about it!! To the ones that are doing this.....I hope Scene will never let you post on here again! All they need is your IP Addy which is not hard to get!

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  140. 140
    gwen_susie388 said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 10:31 AM

    #SS396CHEVELLE, yes those wins count. And being pushed into VL is neither here nor there! Plenty of people have been pushed into VL, towed into VL and so on! Stop letting him get you all riled up. A person who wins a race on fuel mileage should receive another award for being the one who used the best fuel mileage strategy! When they asked Tony Stewart what he did to conserve fuel, he told them he wasn't telling them his secret! lol Good for you Tony! Anyone who knows anything about racing know that you have to conserve fuel on a lot of tracks! Good Strategy has won many races. Using the wrong strategy even though they may have thought it was good at the time has lost many races! Strategy is used throughout every race, from the start to the end! It always has been and always will be! Sometimes it looks like some people think Strategy is something new all of a sudden!! lol Especially fuel mileage strategy!! A win is a win is a win!!!!:-)

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  141. 141
    dale-jr-is-the-greatest-driver-alive said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 10:43 AM

    so howard was mark martins win at michigan a win in your eyes even tho he stated he ran out of fuel in turn four as did junior last year

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  142. 142
    motorsportsphotography said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 12:36 PM

    Again, you just don't get it. Dales win was a lot different than Marks and Tony's wins. The race Dale won was under caution at lap 200 and he was basically out of gas and to conserve he was passing the pace car as he was coasting around to conserve which IS BREAKING THE RULES in NASCAR. Even Dale said he was amazed that he didn't get penalized and so was everyone else. he didn't deserve the win and even said that quote "It is what it is" Mark and Tony were still racing at the end of their races and still had gas. Kasey even said if it was him or any other driver they would have been penalized for doing it. They needed to give Dale the win. No big deal, I don't have to look at the trophy and know that's how I got it. Same way with Matt, he wasn't that thrilled over winning Daytona that way either. Its not a real win.

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  143. 143
    dale-jr-is-the-greatest-driver-alive said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 12:47 PM

    wat hold up didnt you forget about the green white restart were he apparently had enough gas to pull away from them all and hold that spot with them on him for 1 1/2 laps until the caution came out for a wreck which under the rule completed the race no matter what and then ran out of fuel in tun four of the last lap just like mark did Sunday and coat too the finish just like mark and win i hope you didnt forget that. so wait then you would count biffs win a few years ago at kansas were he coasted to the win but wasnt the guy leading which instead was Clint bowyer i believe

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  144. 144
    motorsportsphotography said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 1:14 PM

    #136, No, I don't think so, They are all on DIRT tracks in the NE as well as Fl and IA. And yes the head design was a major flaw in the early 348, 409, and 427s. The placement of the valves and spark plugs and the volume of the combustion chambers were major drawbacks of the early BBs. They hardly produced above 6000rpm. After they realized that they went to a wedge design head and arranged the valves to open and close away from the walls of the cylinder. After that change we had BBs that produced up in the 7000rpm range. Which is the same design head we use today except that we angle the spark plugs so that at TDC the electrode just barely touches the face of the piston giving a better burn.

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  145. 145
    motorsportsphotography said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 1:27 PM

    #143, That's right and that win wasn't a real win either. Clint actually won that race, Greg was out of gas and couldn't even keep up with the pace car which was also against NASCAR rules. He was out of gas and under normal NASCAR conditions he wouldn't have made it to the checkered flag. NASCAR and Jimmie, Jeff and a lot of others said the race given to the wrong driver. Greg didn't win for 87 races before that win. A fluke. But Tony and Mark have great wins and they are real wins. No comparison.

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  146. 146
    dale-jr-is-the-greatest-driver-alive said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 1:31 PM

    ok man so lets end it cause your not gonna change your mind an im not so atleast we can agree to disagree how bout that.

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  147. 147
    manzytrophygirl said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 1:36 PM

    111 Werner...agree with you...the fans are NASCAR Nation and we need to make every effort to make it better (ie: fans wanting the double file restarts...we got them!)...not with bashing and name-calling.

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  148. 148
    matthewallenhughes said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 2:16 PM

    Boy MotorsportsPhotography, if you don't think that Matt Kenseth wasn't happy to win the Daytona 500, then you're crazy. Matt is never the kind of guy who gets worked up over any kind of win because that's just the kind of guy he is. You didn't see him CRYING because he won the Daytona 500? A win is a win. It's a real win either way. Like I said, Junior crossed the finish line first, he has the trophy, he got the money, and he went to Victory Lane, so you know what? I'm sure that he or nobody else cares what you think. Yeah, he did get lucky, but he saved enough fuel to go far enough to win the race as it ran. If it would've been a little farther, it may've been different. But look back a few weeks ago at Dover. If that caution wouldn't have come out, Jimmie Johnson would've run away from the field. So, basically what I'm saying is, things happen the way they happen. I could go back in my head 100,000 times and say "Hey, if that caution wouldnt've come out, he would've won the race." I could do that to every single race. It seems like if you wrote the NASCAR rulebook it would say this: "If Dale Earnhardt Jr. wins a gas-mileage race, then it's not a real win. If anybody else wins a gas-mileage race, then it is a real win." The only reason that you're criticizing the win is because it's Junior because you hate his guts.

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  149. 149
    bthompson133 said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 2:27 PM

    145 when they inspected greg's car he had 1.5 gaqllons left and they cranked the car to prove it. his win was legit. get your facts straight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  150. 150
    motorsportsphotography said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 2:44 PM

    #149, Maybe you should get your facts straight, we were all there when it cranked, and that's all it did. The fuel that was left was basically the fuel that was in the foam of the cell and in the line. He would have never made it around the 15 degree banking or even the 10 degree front stretch. Get your facts straight.

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  151. 151
    motorsportsphotography said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 2:45 PM

    #149, Maybe you should get your facts straight, we were all there when it cranked, and that's all it did. The fuel that was left was basically the fuel that was in the foam of the cell and in the line. He would have never made it around the 15 degree banking or even the 10 degree front stretch. Get your facts straight.

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  152. 152
    SS396Chevelle said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 2:47 PM

    Gwen you are right he is getting to me. Strategy is a major part of auto racing. Are we know going to say the winner took two tires on the last pit stop while the other leaders took 4. So that really isn't a win. Lets get real here a win is a win is a win.

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  153. 153
    motorsportsphotography said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 2:59 PM

    #148, I don't know where you come up with the stuff you write. I know Dale very well, long before you or anyone else on here even heard his name mentioned in this sport. I tell it like I see it and even the way Dale saw it that day. He knew he did some things wrong and He was told over the radio by NASCAR to knock it off. He got away with it because he is Dale. Ask anyone who is close to the sport and they will tell you that. NASCAR played favorite that day. Passing the pace car under caution is illegal, always has been.

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  154. 154
    dale-jr-is-the-greatest-driver-alive said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 3:09 PM

    well passing the pace car wouldn't sound like that big of a deal so why penalize especially when he stopped doing and i guess they realized if it was fine for others then why is the leader not allowed at least that's how i feel as they did for greg and plenty other they did the same for junior which was let it slide

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  155. 155
    SS396Chevelle said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 3:14 PM

    The passing the pace car rule is for those who pit and try to beat the pace car and avoid going a lap down. No favorites that day Dale was warned and stayed back. Many drivers are warned before being black flagged. At the All Star race KB made a pass on the inside before the green flag. He was warned... When Jr did it a Bristol he was black flagged...

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  156. 156
    georgethompson said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 3:27 PM

    I am a former team owner that raced under the same NASCAR rule book in the CW Series.To all of those above that don't understand what Motorsports Photography is trying to say is that in the rule book it says in short...................... "Cars may not pass the caution car/truck unless directed to
    do so by an Official in the caution car/truck. Any cars illegally
    passing the caution car/truck or race leader will be black-flagged".
    ......................So he is right and Jr did break the rule.

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  157. 157
    motorsportsphotography said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 3:37 PM

    #155, What have you been watching, Days of Thunder! Go back to clips of the race and you will see just what Dale was doing.

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  158. 158
    SS396Chevelle said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 3:46 PM

    That's the reason for the rule. Loved Days of Thunder no toyota's in it. The rule is simple.. You have a damaged car you enter the pit make a repair, beat the pace car and stay on the same lap. Now you go back in the pits for a second repair and as you leave the speed traps you race and pass the pace car using the inside lane. Black flag... The rule has nothing to do with the race leader.

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  159. 159
    matthewallenhughes said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 3:59 PM

    I don't know where you come up with the stuff that YOU write. #153, show me one time in my post above where I said that passing the pace car wasn't illegal. Oh that's right, you can't because I never said that. Yeah, passing the pace car is illegal in NASCAR and wrong is wrong. Like I said, there's no since in sitting here and saying that Junior didn't deserve that win over and over again. He won the race, that's it. I just wish I knew why you hated him so much.

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  160. 160
    motorsportsphotography said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 4:17 PM

    #159, You must be a very insecure person. Where in any of my posts say I hate Dale. My posts are about racing issues, not personal issues. I have great relationships with everyone I know in NASCAR including Dale. That's the problem with the JR NATION. They don't know the difference between Racing issues and Personnel issues. Its just like the relationships between drivers, everyone thinks that all the drivers hate Kyle. You can go in the garage and see Kyle sitting there talking to Jimmie, Jeff, Tony, and every other driver but Dale. But if you listen to the fans, they say Kyle don't have a friend in the garage. The JR NATION don't want to hear anything negative about Dale no matter how true it is. They cant handle it because most don't know anything about racing.

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  161. 161
    johnarturi said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 4:37 PM

    WOW, 160 posts on a topic that isn't even about a win. Howie, are you trying for another free lunch? I know all about your bets with the guys about how you can get the most posts out of a topic about Jr. You have 20 on here yourself. I think that's cheating a little don't you? Maybe the rules should change to where the topic has to break 200 posts. I don't care. It must be nice to be bored. Don't get to drunk in wine country.

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  162. 162
    wolverine-2009 said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 4:38 PM

    I want everyone to shake hands and walk away.
    A racing question: what is Dale's average finish at this road course to be raced Sunday?

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  163. 163
    SS396Chevelle said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 4:55 PM

    MSP So you have no ill feelings about Jr. You were just talking racing... Here is what you said in this tread. "Dale needs a reality check and soon. I listened to him for 125 laps today and if I was Rick I would be having a talk with him. He has no respect for Lance or his spotter. Its back to F this and F that. He tells Lance what to do on the car and Lance tells him just drive the car and let us take care of it and he curses at him. He blames his spotter for the 21 car pitting in front of him saying he cant concentrate and watch the 21 car because his spotter didn't tell him that he was in the pit in front of him and rants about it for 10 laps after it happened. He tells Lance that he doesn't trust his calls and he needs to listen to him more and it just goes on and on." Then you added "Its funny how some of you can say what a great driver Dale is and you have all this confidence that he will win championships. You back him up like he was part of your family. But the fact is Dale himself has no desire and lacks the confidence to win championships." To me and everyone here those are personal attacks. I am not a Jr fan, but he is a 1000 times the man KB is. Your stories are becoming a joke and to think after all the negative posts you wrote about Jr and Jr Nation, do you really think we believe you are friends with him and talk to him every week??? You are becoming an embarrassment to yourself and whatever imagine you are pretending to play.

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  164. 164
    MrWalleye2U said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 5:04 PM

    Why doesn't anyone bring up how good Newman is doing with crew chief Tony Gibson? He was Dale Jr's crew chief,Mark Martin's and two others where they finished in the top ten,five or in victory lane and Jr just kept blowing motors or not even getting a top ten finish. I thought it was pretty stupid for Jr letting every one else to take the blame instead of saying it was 90% of his own fault not letting the crew chief what the car is doing at each turn or straigt way. He has to find a a sports Dr to talk to for help or hang it up and sit with Pops on the 88 NW car. I am a fan but i will never be a member of Jr Nation for the simple fact of making up excuses every week. Pretty said to read what every one thinks who to blame. JJ said he was very impressed for the two days they worked together on what to do to make the car handle better. Jr made the biggest mistake when he told Pops he would do better with a different crew chief. He gained to spots last week,but he will not gain any ground at Sonama. I hope they get a win or two even though he won't be in the chase. I will bet anyone any amount that he won't finish 15th or better and the end of the year.

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  165. 165
    matthewallenhughes said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 5:06 PM

    #160, you seem to think that you know everything that's going on in my head. You are right though, I never heard you say that you hated Dale. That much is true. However, you seem like he's not one of your favorite people. No, I'm not an insecure person. That may be your assessment, but if that's the case, then your assessment is wrong. Believe it or not though, I actually enjoy talking to you because you seem to know a lot about the sport.

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    matthewallenhughes said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 5:08 PM

    And #164, that I know of, Tony Gibson has never been Dale Earnhardt Jr.'s crew chief.

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  167. 167
    matthewallenhughes said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 5:10 PM

    And to #162, I have no idea, but I know he does terrible at Sonoma.

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    matthewallenhughes said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 5:10 PM

    And to #162, I have no idea, but I know he does terrible at Sonoma.

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    motorsportsphotography said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 5:12 PM

    That's right, I'm talking about Dale as a driver. I think you have a problem reading. No where am I speaking about Dale off the track. My posts are my opinions of what I see and hear at the track every weekend. If you don't like them that's to bad. As far as what you believe means nothing to me. You know what you by what you read on your computer, I see it first hand. I talk to fans of Dale all weekend long in the infield and most are die hard race fans. They understand exactly what I say because they know racing. Most people on here know nothing about racing and it shows.

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    matthewallenhughes said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 5:15 PM

    Sorry for so many posts but, I stand corrected. Tony Gibson was Dale Earnhardt Jr.'s crew chief for SIX races at the end of the 2007 season after Tony Eury Jr. left to get familiar with Hendrick Motorsports. However, the blown motors were neither Tony Gibson's nor Dale Jr.'s fault because they had been happening all year. Plus, Junior only had six races left with DEI and he was done. Do you think he really cared how things went? He had already missed the Chase, so he really didn't have a lot to lose. Of course, he still wanted to win races but finishing good didn't really matter at that point.

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    matthewallenhughes said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 5:16 PM

    Who are you talking to #169, everybody?

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    wolverine-2009 said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 5:17 PM

    Motorsport,

    What is Dale's average finish at Sonoma?

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    matthewallenhughes said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 5:26 PM

    I can tell you Wolverine. It's 20.9.

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  174. 174
    gwen_susie388 said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 5:33 PM

    JohnArturi......Anyone who really pays any attention to what MSP (Howard Englishman) has to say, would have to know that he would have to split himself up into about 50 pieces to be everywhere he says he is! And to know what so many people have said and done. To know everything that is going on! The funniest part is when he comes on here and tells everyone what happened and we already knew it! lol MSP Howard.... You deserve an award and I really mean it!!! Someone should give you a trophy! We don't even need search engines anymore....We can just ask...Mr.ASK.COM (MSP)Howard Englishman! Right Howard? ;-).... Smile... Have a sense of humor for a change!

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    motorsportsphotography said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 5:34 PM

    Yeah, Dale hates road coarses. He has the worst record there. 24th,19th,30th,11th,11th,42nd,26th,13th and 12th. Not good.

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    wolverine-2009 said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 5:37 PM

    How can you improve on the road courses?

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  177. 177
    SS396Chevelle said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 5:40 PM

    Ok Folks you heard it from MSP the voice of Nascar. Hardly anyone on here knows anything about Nascar. MSP talks to Jr fans every week and they understand exactly what he means. These fans however are the idiots he speaks about called Jr Nation. He says Jr is a mediocre driver and will never win a championship, then he talks to him each week. What does Jr tell you MSP???? "I love all your negitive posts about me and my fans"??? "Keep up the good work"? Come on gives us a break.. I'm having a laughing fit right now...

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    matthewallenhughes said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 5:41 PM

    Motorsports, you wanna take #176's question?

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  179. 179
    motorsportsphotography said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 5:42 PM

    Oh and Gwen. I enjoy my 4 days off after 3 days of running around. I sure hope my fellow journalists get you the precious information you need by time I get home on Monday. If they didn't you wouldn't have nothing to comment on. And by the way ASK.com will probadly not be the official search engine of NASCAR soon.

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    gwen_susie388 said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 5:48 PM

    See I told you... He keeps Jr's record from every race track right there in his head!! I'm just picking on you a little bit MSP! :-)

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    dale-jr-is-the-greatest-driver-alive said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 5:48 PM

    lol all you guys are funny man when is anybody gonna talk about how Elliott sadler carried the flag for rpm al day with his top 12 finish how great was that for Elliott sadler fans

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    dale-jr-is-the-greatest-driver-alive said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 5:50 PM

    whos gonna be the official search engine then

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    gwen_susie388 said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 5:55 PM

    I sure hope not because ask.com is not a very good search engine! But I hate to tell you! When I am not at a race track and I am watching on T.V., while as exciting as it is to be at the racetrack, you learn more by watching the race at home and all the Nascar shows that go along with it! Lots of information there! I don't believe everything I read. I pay attention to the parts in quotation marks (")if I do because the rest of it, is the writers opinion.

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  184. 184
    motorsportsphotography said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 5:55 PM

    #177, That's right, I know that the fans on here are not like the fans at the track. They understand things better. 90% of the people I hangout with at the track are fans of Dale and Sr. I have known them for years. They are die hard fans that come to a lot of races and own everything you can buy of the two. They understand criticism unlike the people on here. They know that dale isn't doing good and he needs help. The people on here think nothing is wrong and don't want to hear anything negative.

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  185. 185
    wolverine-2009 said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 5:59 PM

    Guys,
    I want to discuss racing. You guys are bickering. You are all in a time out, go to the corners.

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  186. 186
    dale-jr-is-the-greatest-driver-alive said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 6:00 PM

    motorsportsphotography ive gotta ask you. do you believe junior is struggling because of his abilty as a driver or lack off. in other words do you believe junior isn't talented enough to succed and pul of top 10s and 5s regularly

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  187. 187
    dale-jr-is-the-greatest-driver-alive said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 6:01 PM

    hey wolverine look at my 181 post and RESPONDDD lol about elliot

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  188. 188
    motorsportsphotography said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 6:02 PM

    And as far as the 2 road courses. The story circulating this weekend was that next year we might not be going to any. NASCAR wants to save the teams millions of dollars by not building those cars anymore. Bruton has hinted he wasn't going to take a date from Atlanta or NH so this could be correct. And Kansas wants a second date and they don't want to take it from Martinsville. Plus the COT will not have a wing next year but instead have a spoiler again. We will have to see.

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  189. 189
    gwen_susie388 said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 6:08 PM

    ok Wolverine....how long do I have to stay in my corner? oh Wait...there's to many of us, we are sharing corners..I'm sharing my corner with SS396Chevelle....hehe

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  190. 190
    wolverine-2009 said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 6:15 PM

    Dale--I did not know Sadler raced the weekend. Hahahaha! I do not recall the guys in the booth discussing him. Hooray for Elliot. I am sure his wife is proud.
    Gwen, you and the others will remain in corners until you can play nice :-0)
    Mom will be so proud!

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    wolverine-2009 said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 6:16 PM

    Motorsport,
    Would teams compete in cars as the Nationwide guys?

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    matthewallenhughes said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 6:20 PM

    Let's get one thing straight #184. I know that that comment wasn't directed towards me, but I'm going to respond to it anyway. I understand criticism as much as the next guy. I understand that Dale Earnhardt Jr. isn't perfect, just like anybody else. I understand that there are things that he can improve on and things that he needs to improve on to make him even better as a race car driver. But there are some people who take it too far, and that's when it gets me all riled up. Yeah, definitely there are things that Junior can improve on. From listening to Dale Jr. in the past, and listening to him now, I think that his communication has definitely improved. Does it still need work at times? Yes it does. It could be better and hopefully it's getting better. Does Dale Earnhardt Jr. have times when he lashes out at people on the radio because he's mad? Sure he does. He gets mad just like anybody else. He can be disrespectful to his spotter and crew chief sometimes and that is something that he's going to have to work on. And the more that he works on it, the better of he'll be. But the point is, that regardless of all the things that he could definitely improve on that I said above, there's still no denying that he is one helluva race car driver. The tools are there, he's won 18 races with them, but he could win even more races if he could figure out how to use them in an even better way.

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    dale-jr-is-the-greatest-driver-alive said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 6:23 PM

    yea ive got too admit it was nice seeing him up their great job ellie lol anyways who think juan pablo montoya will win at sonoma

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    motorsportsphotography said:
    Jun 16, 2009 at 6:24 PM

    #186, Dale can have all the help in the world on top of his pit box but it wont help. For some reason he has lost all confidence in his car and his driving and without that the best people in the world wont get him into VL. Until he trusts that car that is underneath him and the adjustments that Lance makes he is in trouble. He is a very frustrated driver right now and we saw that at Pocono. He blew his pit and got into Stremme. Same at Daytona with Brian. Every action has a reaction and