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Bob Pockrass: NASCAR needed to change rules, but Talladega race shows more needed
By Bob Pockrass - Associate Editor
Monday, November 02, 2009
Ryan Newman's Stewart-Haas Racing Chevrolet is carried into the garage at Talladega Superspeedway Sunday. Newman flipped the car, then had to have the roof cut off so that he could get out.
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COMMENTARY
TALLADEGA, Ala. – Some NASCAR drivers complained about the box they were put in at Talladega Superspeedway with the rules package, which they say created a race that began as a single-file snoozefest and then turned into a dangerous dance of cat and mouse.
But NASCAR is in a box, too, and while it doesn’t have the right answer yet, it’s hard to blame NASCAR for trying to fix a potentially dangerous situation by not allowing pushing and bump-drafting in the corners.
Sure, it would be nice to rally around the mantra of “Let them race,” but let’s not fool ourselves here. If that was the mission of the sport, there would be no need for a point system. NASCAR could just say whoever wins the most races wins the title. But if NASCAR did that, drivers would be wrecking on the final lap every week instead of every few weeks, and NASCAR might as well beef up the staffing of the infield medical center and designate an area of the garage for a heap of parts and pieces of damaged cars.
The other reason for creating this rule is that everyone saw what happened in April. Brad Keselowski pushed Carl Edwards around the entire track and they turned a lap of 200.7 mph. Once they made contact, Edwards’ car came off the ground and was eventually launched into the catch fence after getting hit by Ryan Newman. After seeing that and seeing that drivers were likely going to attempt a similar style of racing in Friday practice, what’s NASCAR supposed to do?
NASCAR’s biggest mistake was informing everyone a couple of hours before the race of the new rule. While NASCAR had told the drivers they wanted to see space and even parked Michael Waltrip during practice Friday, the rule didn’t become hard and firm until Sunday morning.
Did the drivers have a mini-revolt for the first half of the race? Probably not. They just didn’t want to be the ones to test the new rule. It was actually a little surprising that none of the drivers tested NASCAR on the issue in the turns early the race. Considering the ability to get back up in the draft, a drive-through penalty could have been something a team could overcome, and it would be worth seeing what a driver could get away with.
Instead, the drivers just waited for the final 80 laps to begin making their moves, figuring out what would work and what wouldn’t. None were penalized. But NASCAR – officials and drivers – couldn’t avoid turning two cars upside down.
While logging laps early in an event before getting down to nitty-gritty racing is typical at some tracks (even Daytona), it’s not what fans are used to seeing at Talladega, and many were angry. It’s kind of Bristol all over again – the style of racing changed, and those who enjoyed the previous style turn on their computers and flood message boards about how NASCAR has ruined the sport.
This is not the first time where a rule change designed for safety reasons curbed some of the excitement of a restrictor-plate race, and NASCAR cannot just ignore that fan sentiment. The shame about Talladega is that NASCAR made a rule for safety that ended up angering fans, and while no cars got in the catch fence, two drivers got close-up views of the pavement no driver ever wants to see.
Neither can be acceptable, and, hopefully, NASCAR doesn’t think its work is done with this rule change. It should consider a full test at Talladega to try different aero packages, even if that means the same cars can’t be used at Daytona and Talladega. It should have outside engineers look at the wrecks of the last year – four vehicles have turned over in the last two Talladega weekends – and see if there is anything else it can do. If the wing is the issue, then it should mandate spoilers for Talladega. Those changes and studies might seem costly, but it’s not as costly as fans turning off their television sets, not coming to the races and drivers becoming passengers in cars that are landing upside down on the hoods of their competitors.
There have been only six races at Talladega with the new-model Cup car. It’s obviously still a work in progress at Talladega. That’s to be expected. The race Sunday was just part of the growing pains.
I just don’t want to hear the line, “That’s just Talladega.” No one should be resigned to the fact that the big wreck and cars turning over are going to happen at Talladega. If people want to say, “That’s just Talladega,” then it should refer to Talladega being a work in progress as far as tweaking the rules for the best combination of racing and safety. That’s been NASCAR’s challenge for the 40 years since the beast that we call Talladega opened for business.
There’s more work to be done. A higher catch fence, change in the holes of the restrictor plates and rules on bump-drafting don’t seem to be enough.
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| 7 | Greg Biffle | -321 |
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| 11 | Carl Edwards | -520 |
| 12 | Brian Vickers | -666 |
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Rainier said:
Nov 2, 2009 at 10:52 AMShort of reducing the banking, I don't know what else they can do differently and still have it be safe. And what new rule? The drivers have always been told not to bump draft in the corners and if they had any brains they wouldn't need to be told that in the first place.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportMedukie said:
Nov 2, 2009 at 12:03 PMIf Talladega wasn't an ISC track, they wouldn't even consider racing there. All the changes they can think of won't make things any better there. Unsafe AND boring - not the best combination for a race, is it? Of course, they could always turn the track into a tunnel of catch fencing, run 35 laps, and call it a 'steel cage match'.
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Nov 2, 2009 at 2:39 PMIf we put a man on the moon 40 years ago, I believe there is technology available to the cars on the track. Find an intelligent person to find the answer instead of depending on the Daytona bunch. After all, wasn't it Brett Bodine who tested the COT and pronounced it good to go.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportSTP43FAN said:
Nov 2, 2009 at 3:12 PMReducing the banking dosn't lessen anything - it defangs competition. Talladega is not the track people should worry about because it's been places like New Hampshire, Homestead, Atlanta, Texas, Richmond, the road courses, etc. that have been dangerous. Talladega is the spectacular explosion that does little real damage.
Report as AbuseWhat needs to change is NASCAR has to get the officiating tower out of meddling in the racing; it needs to drastically shrink the restrictor plate because the cars are still too fast to stay on the ground; NASCAR needs to stop with blanket reactions and changes and insetad start suspending for a race or more the specific drivers responsible for problems - i.e. it should have suspended Michael Waltrip for a race in 2003 after the New Hampshire near-crash with Jarrett.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportSTP43FAN said:
Nov 2, 2009 at 3:17 PMMEDUKIE - How was Talladega boring? If you're talking about the three periods when the field just pounded out laps instead of raced, that was because of points-racing and so they wouldn't let any two cars escape the draft - remember that in April we saw two-car drafts blast away from the field for a lap or two.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportSTP43FAN said:
Nov 2, 2009 at 3:26 PMPockrass succumbs to the false assumption of "they'd be wrecking on the last lap every race." That is not the case.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportSTP43FAN said:
Nov 2, 2009 at 3:26 PMRAINIER - it's none of NASCAR's business whether they push-draft in the corners.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportbhstoneman said:
Nov 2, 2009 at 3:52 PMSTP43FAN, what does the word "defang" mean? I don't believe I have heard it before except when one is speaking about snakes.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportMedukie said:
Nov 2, 2009 at 4:07 PMPounding around single-file lap after lap isn't boring? You need to get a life STP! Give me short tracks and dirt tracks any day - ever been to one?
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Nov 2, 2009 at 4:11 PMDefang-- to remove the fangs of/to defang a snake/to render harmless/to defang an opposing candidate
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» Confirm Abuse Reportjim294 said:
Nov 2, 2009 at 4:27 PMThis article is dead on - what we saw yesterday is NOT racing. Not even when they were bunched up. Look at the finishers. It's all about survival of the luckiest.
Report as AbuseYou've got Jimmie Johnson asking his crew chief if running 1/2 throttle is going to hurt anything while he's cruising along at 190MPH in 36th. If someone is touching the brakes then they are probably about to pit or wreck. That isn't racing to me.
It's simply stupidity...
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» Confirm Abuse Reportallangearnhardt said:
Nov 2, 2009 at 4:54 PMYou want to keep the cars on the ground at super speedways??? Make the cars heavier....the frame is all tube....fill it with water...the extra weight will HELP keep the cars on the track...but at a super speedways they will ALWAYS get upside down....unless you back the top speed to 125mph and what a boring race that would be.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportdeyanak said:
Nov 2, 2009 at 5:28 PMonly thing I'll say is watching yesterday wasted a lot of my time and all the fans there.
Report as AbuseGet rid of the restrictor plates, and let them fly...that's the designation of SUPER speedway.
70mph in the turns at Martinsville, and 220mph at Talladega...LET THEM RACE....thats what the track was designed for...WAKE UP NASCAR
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» Confirm Abuse Reportdeyanak said:
Nov 2, 2009 at 5:29 PMjust thought of something else, that stupid rear wing put Ryan Newmans life at risk..what holds them down, right side up, is what puts them upside down...aerodymanic lift...
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Nov 2, 2009 at 5:38 PMWhat are those roof flaps suppose to do?
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» Confirm Abuse Reportrwilliamhayes said:
Nov 2, 2009 at 5:48 PMAs long as the current group of mutton heads are in charge they'll never get it right.Just like politicians the FRANCEGATERS r subject 2 influence peddling and it ain't gonna change anytime soon.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportWerner said:
Nov 2, 2009 at 6:00 PMgo to a 4.0 motor....we don't need 900 HP motors with a 500 HP car...
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» Confirm Abuse Reportleftturn said:
Nov 2, 2009 at 6:55 PMWerner- You seem to know a bit about racing and cars so let me ask you. If they either reduced the size of the engine or restricted it further to bring speeds down, what would happen in the draft? Would they still be able to increase their collective speed significantly? Or is it all basically on a sliding scale. Horsepower down equals a percentage of MPH down on an equal sliding scale? Any idea at what speed the car would not get airborne or violently so? I guess I am wondering does the car need to be redone to fit the track?
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» Confirm Abuse Reportbssnd said:
Nov 2, 2009 at 7:29 PMThe answer is not smaller plates. Remove the plates all together, give the guys back their horsepower. These guys know their limits. They won't go faster than the car is capable of taking turn 3. If they had some throttle response maybe they could power ahead of a potential problem. I also think the wing is responsible for lifting Ryan Newman's car off the track. The downpressure from the flaps cannot overcome the lift of the wing in reverse.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportWerner said:
Nov 2, 2009 at 8:01 PMBSSND...these guys are racers...there is no limit....
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» Confirm Abuse ReportWerner said:
Nov 2, 2009 at 8:13 PMLEFTTURN...1st off let me say that a friend of mine made me up a polo shirt with Left Turn Werner embroidered on it....i always heard the HP equals speed...i would think that the draft would increase the speeds somewhat...perhaps they should put on the taxi cab billboard on the cars...to create some kind of drag...and too much research has been done on the frt aero going foward...maybe they need to back the car into the wind tunnel to get some downforce when the cars go backwards...
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» Confirm Abuse ReportWerner said:
Nov 2, 2009 at 8:14 PMLEFTTURN...thanks for the compliment but i'm no expert...just a fan who loves racing...starting to like F1 more for all it's hi-tech goodies....
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» Confirm Abuse Reportriccary said:
Nov 2, 2009 at 9:50 PMI'd have to say this was a script taken right from wrestling. Totally a phony race. Come on, Johnson hanging back like he did when he could of went to the front anytime ??? Right..
Report as AbuseThis was NASCRAP's orders to try and drum up interests by having a car other than Hendrick up front..
I don't buy it...There were plenty of empty seats and TV audience was down even for Talladega. That must be a first...
Could it be the fans are tired of the Hendrick domination with Jr. left out ?
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» Confirm Abuse Reportgnc1017 said:
Nov 2, 2009 at 11:56 PMWerner - I could be wrong but it would seem to me that a smaller motor or anything else to reduce speed without making the track more challenging would make it more like Pocono (and with the banking at 'Dega, likely much more boring). If you don't do something to force some level of driver skill, fans will continue to lose interest.
Report as AbuseFor the sake of safety, letting them go faster isn't an option either. I would think they basically just need to change the track or car to prevent them from being able to hold the throttle down the entire lap - not the opposite.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportmbvoelker said:
Nov 3, 2009 at 7:24 AMFirst off, I loathe plate racing. The 190mph parking lot/demolition derby is the worst racing on the circuit and the vaunted "lead changes" are as meaningless as that Chinese Fire Drill game we played as teens.
Report as AbuseThat said, knocking the banking down wouldn't, by itself, fix anything. It would just turn Talledega into an even bigger, even duller Fontana/Michigan.
Adding chicanes, however, ...
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» Confirm Abuse ReportRainier said:
Nov 3, 2009 at 7:51 AMThe chicane idea is pretty good. Then they could do away with the restrictor plates and actually have to use the brakes, like the 24 hour daytona configuration, they use the banked turns without needing restrictor plates because they need to slow down for the road sections. Also, everyone who just thumps their chest and says no restrictor plates, let them go 230mph, they're racers. The lives of the drivers and fans are at risk. Just because the cars can go 230mph on a banked 4 lane highway, doesn't mean they should.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportleftturn said:
Nov 3, 2009 at 9:21 AMWerner- Your welcome and thanks for the response.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportRVD420 said:
Nov 3, 2009 at 9:32 AMThey could take off the plates and use a gear rule to control the speed of the cars. Mandate a gear so steep that at 190 mph the engine would be turning 8500 RPM. The cars would have more throttle response than they do now with the plates on.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportSTP43FAN said:
Nov 3, 2009 at 4:16 PMBSSND - giving them back horsepower is not the answer - these guys are not going to slow themselves down; only making it physically impossible to reach a certain speed - which we know is 190-4 based on comments over the years from the likes of Rusty Wallace - will keep these cars on the ground.
Report as AbuseMBVOELKER - lead changes mean everything - the Chinese Fire Drill analogy is bogus. Adding chicanes wussifies racing.
RVD420 - they already are gear bound on the plate tracks; a gear rule can't slow them down.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportWerner said:
Nov 3, 2009 at 6:28 PM2 things we came up with at work today...these cars weren't meant to go backwards at 190 MPH...so they need to get some type od downforce into them when they do...nothing will keep them down if another car hits just the right way....2nd item was to put wheels on the roof of the car...lol
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» Confirm Abuse ReportFedexman said:
Nov 4, 2009 at 9:02 PMRight on riccary. I attended 26 straight races at Talladega from 1996-2007. I am glad I did not attend this race. Poor economy, high gas prices, boring racing from lap 30-150, Jimmie Johnson wrapped up Chase with 4 races to go = poor attendance. While I don't know the answer to make it better, I do know that I don't care how fast the cars are, whether 150 mph or 200 mph, just let the drivers be able to dictate the track instead of restrictor plates and NASCAR dictating the drivers. It's bad enough that all the cars are the same, but when NASCAR is telling all the drivers how to drive, then the race is gonna suck...which it did. Heck, they'd be better off with a lottery after 500 miles to see who wins !!!
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