NASCAR: Gibbs teams face penalties for manipulating Nationwide dyno

By Bob Pockrass - Associate Editor
Sunday, August 17, 2008
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According to a NASCAR official, Tony Stewart's team was caught trying to manipulate the throttle so NASCAR would not get an accurate horsepower reading in postrace inspection Saturday at Michigan International Speedway.

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BROOKLYN, Mich. – Joe Gibbs Racing’s Nationwide Series teams will be penalized for attempting to manipulate the throttle so NASCAR would not get a true horsepower reading when putting their cars on the chassis dynamometer following the Carfax 250 at Michigan International Speedway, NASCAR spokesman Jim Hunter said Saturday night.

Both the No. 18 and No. 20 teams face penalties for what was a blatant attempt to interfere with the inspection process. NASCAR has confiscated the engines and it will determine whether to test them further, NASCAR Vice President of Competition Robin Pemberton said Sunday morning.

Pemberton would not speculate on what the penalties would be.

“We were in the middle of an inspection process,” an obviously perturbed Pemberton said. “[Penalties coming] would a pretty fair assessment. … This is interfering with a NASCAR inspection process, and I will leave it at that.”

Horsepower in the Nationwide Series is a sensitive issue. Last month, NASCAR changed the spacer that limits air flow through the carburetor for Toyotas after it determined that the Toyotas had an advantage over the other manufacturers. The Toyota teams reacted angrily to the change.

NASCAR put 10 cars on the chassis dyno to test horsepower following the race Saturday. The last two times it had tested Nationwide engines (at Milwaukee in June and Chicagoland in July), it had taken the engines out of the car and used an engine dyno.

Pemberton said he did not know if JGR had manipulated dyno numbers when the engines were last tested on a chassis dyno in March at Atlanta Motor Speedway.

 “You just never know,” Pemberton said. “You can’t look back and speculate. We just need to go forward and make sure it doesn’t happen again.”

The tampering had no impact on the outcome of the race, Hunter said. Tony Stewart drove the No. 20 to third place in the race, while Joey Logano drove the No. 18 to seventh place. The No. 20 team, which has used several drivers this year, currently leads the owner standings by 318 points over the No. 2 Richard Childress Racing team.

“What they did was not in effect during the race,” Hunter said. “They didn’t have an illegal part or engine during the race. They tried to do something involving a magnet so that we wouldn’t get a true reading on the dyno.”

Joe Gibbs Racing spokesman Mike Arning would not comment specifically on what happened during the postrace dyno process.

"The parts and pieces that were on our cars [in the race] adhered to the rulebook," Arning said. "There was nothing out of the ordinary."

But the rulebook does require teams to follow NASCAR directives after a race.

 “From time to time, NASCAR may determine, in the interest of competition, that it is necessary or appropriate to undertake an analysis of the performance capabilities of a car, car part, component or equipment,” the rulebook states. “The Competitor shall take whatever steps are requested by NASCAR Officials for this purpose.”

Pemberton said it was too early to tell if there would be more rule changes resulting from the horsepower figures gathered Saturday. NASCAR re-ran the Gibbs cars unadulterated to get accurate numbers after the violations were found, Pemberton said.

“We will have to sit down,” Pemberton said. “There are a lot of numbers to evaluate.”

Mentioned Drivers: Joey Logano

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  1. 1
    Kenneth L Solomon said:
    Aug 16, 2008 at 10:26 PM

    Cheating, or even the suggestion of it. That's the last thing I'd expect from anything Joe Gibbs is involved with. I'm not a JGR fan and definitely not into Toyotas, but this is NOT good for anybody.

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    emily bagwell said:
    Aug 16, 2008 at 10:53 PM

    Oh yes, it is good for some to show just how JGR operates---religious, my foot. I'm just glad this has come to light. Joe Gibbs had a carrot dangled in front of him with Toytas and he went for it! I'm glad everyone can see what he is! Where else have they cheated?

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    Julie Luoma said:
    Aug 16, 2008 at 10:59 PM

    So what were they trying to hide?

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    sammy almanza said:
    Aug 16, 2008 at 11:33 PM

    emily, how many times has the 48 team and all of the rick hendrick teams for that matter, been caught cheating. numerous times! yet they are still held up there as being the best team in nascar. lay off the gibbs camp. its not like the bodies didnt match the nascar templates ( 48 and 24 team caught last year with that)

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    sharon race said:
    Aug 16, 2008 at 11:59 PM

    I know that JJohnson's crew chief was suspended 4 races at the start of the season for doing something to the car. I bet they all do it from time to time. Sooner or later you get caught. However, Kyle did not drive today.

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    Mark Ernst said:
    Aug 17, 2008 at 1:30 AM

    Couldnt coach so now he cheats. Go figure.

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    Frank Furter said:
    Aug 17, 2008 at 2:09 AM

    What was Gibbs trying to hide??? How about the fact that they KNEW that every engine they have has a more than 50 horsepower advantage over anything any other manufacturer produces within the NASCAR rules. When you put a magnet or a stick behind the gas pedal so it can't be fully depressed during a dynomometer test... you're blatantly cheating. Kick all the Gibbs teams out of the chase!

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    Frank Alford said:
    Aug 17, 2008 at 2:12 AM

    That is not how Coach Gibbs operates. Maybe someone in the organition but not Joe Gibbs. Not even Tony or Zippy for that matter. I do believe it was someone but not the coach. What if it was not in the JGR camp what if it was Toyota themselves.

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    bob parent said:
    Aug 17, 2008 at 5:10 AM

    Kick all the Gibbs teams out of the chase!
    then maybe junner would have a better chance

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    Anonymous said:
    Aug 17, 2008 at 7:44 AM

    Nascar is being unfair. they took horsepower away from the toyotas, Carl Edwards had more horse power and nascar didn't take anything away from him. Toyota were within the rules all year. Maybe toyota didn't want nascar to know cause if they were within 20 less horsepower than Carl Edwards, nascar may take more away from the toyota. I think Nascar should of left things alone. I feel toyotas got penilized for working long hard hours.

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    Anonymous said:
    Aug 17, 2008 at 7:45 AM

    Nascar is being unfair. they took horsepower away from the toyotas, Carl Edwards had more horse power and nascar didn't take anything away from him. Toyota were within the rules all year. Maybe toyota didn't want nascar to know cause if they were within 20 less horsepower than Carl Edwards, nascar may take more away from the toyota. I think Nascar should of left things alone. I feel toyotas got penilized for working long hard hours.

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    Don Knight said:
    Aug 17, 2008 at 7:51 AM

    So now the Toyotas in the Nationwide series have to run with a restrictor plate so the Hendricks Chevies can be competetive? I say if you can't run with the big dogs stay on the porch.

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    Jean Helmey said:
    Aug 17, 2008 at 8:00 AM

    I have said all along there is something going on with Gibbs racing for Kyle to be winning so many races. You don't lose like they did last year and win like they are this year. What will NASCAR do about the races so far this year. I think most of what they are doing is to Kyle's car not Tony because both cars are not equal and Tony is the better of the racers not Kyle. Just like DEI did last year Martin's car was far better than Juniors.

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    Richard Cotten said:
    Aug 17, 2008 at 8:04 AM

    OK...let's all be honest here. Cheating in NASCAR is nothing new and it all began back before they raced on TV in front of millions of fans. It's part of the sport and occurs on a regular weekly basis-- the competition is so intense that teams are always looking for loopholes in the rules to gain an advantage. It's the nature of close competition that forces those guys to push the limit on rules violations and when NASCAR gets lucky and finds something, somebody has got to pay. Right or wrong, it's a part of the sport that will never go away, especially with overwhelming sponsor pressure and the team owners lack of patience for finishing anywhere but top-ten.

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    anonymous said:
    Aug 17, 2008 at 8:46 AM

    I know cheating or playing in the gray area has been going on forever BUT, when you have an owner of a team that stands up last year and says a beer sponsorship won't fit in with the family values of the race team, why does cheating seem to be OK. Seems the Gibbs family are hypocrites. Cheating is OK, beer is not?? Go figure. Always got to watch those that stand up and shout the faith.

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    Richard Cotten said:
    Aug 17, 2008 at 9:05 AM

    All I'm trying to say is let's not single-out anyone for doing something every NASCAR team is guilty of...saying one thing and doing another is just part of the game. Roush, Hendrick, Childress, Sabates, etc., etc., are all players too...with the media constantly in your face with a mic or a pen to record it for immediate and often unedited publishing, I challenge anyone to always make the "right" comments.

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    linda langston said:
    Aug 17, 2008 at 9:30 AM

    WOW, I CAN'T BELIEVE ALL OF THESE COMMENTS....JGR HASN'T DONE ANYTHING BUT TRY & WIN. WHAT'S THE BIG DEAL?!

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    Casey Forsythe said:
    Aug 17, 2008 at 9:38 AM

    finally nascars figured it out i bet there doing it in cup to i hope they figure it out in cup to

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    Robyn MacMillan said:
    Aug 17, 2008 at 9:48 AM

    Take them out of the chase??? Sounds like some fans are jealous! We need to remember that our drivers are only as good as their teams and if the teams are cheating, that is never good. So, IF JGR cheated, they need to be penalized just like anyone else. And for the record, I am a Tony Stewart fan, not a JGR fan.

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    Michelle Trice said:
    Aug 17, 2008 at 11:57 AM

    I think it is sad that because a car can acutally run good, nascar takes away horsepower so it can run as crappy as the rest of the field. The other cars need to either get moving or stop shining. I agree with Don Knight. Either play with the big dogs or get off the porch!!! Cheating is not the answer, but it is not like they are the first to ever do it. (No that doesn't make it better.) If they get thrown out of chase then all the teams need to be thrown out for cheating!!!

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    Michelle Trice said:
    Aug 17, 2008 at 12:01 PM

    I meant 'or stop whining!!!"

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    John Jones said:
    Aug 17, 2008 at 12:07 PM

    Um, the real question should be...What was their horsepower reading after the magnet was removed???

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    Frank Alford said:
    Aug 17, 2008 at 12:55 PM

    If they would throw them out for cheating then JJ would not have won the championship last year.

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    patricia jordan said:
    Aug 17, 2008 at 3:15 PM

    greed will make a good man go bad.

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    Missy R. said:
    Aug 17, 2008 at 3:22 PM

    Surely those of you who are going on about Gibbs and his Christianity are not so stupid as to think that he put the magnet in the car himself. But let's blame him. I'm sure he can read inside everyone's heads in the garage and even has spy goggles to watch them when they think he's not looking.

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    PB said:
    Aug 17, 2008 at 3:56 PM

    Do a little research would you.. The reason the Toyotas won all those races is because they had a big horsepower advantage... Not because they built a better motor but because they were allowed by NASCAR to use their Cup motor with the appropriate carb, spacer, etc.. for the Nationwide Series... While Chevy for instance has been denied the right to use the Cup Motor Design (the R07 Motor)after repeated requests they have to still run the SB2 Motors.. NASCAR only recently decided that all of the new Motor Designs will have to run a more restrictive spacer.. Low and Behold the only one that has to do it right now is Toyota because none of the other Mfg's have been allowed to run the new designs.. I like Joe Gibbs but I firmly believe that this has been NASCAR trying to manipulate the series.. Let them all run the same generation motors and see what happens.. Then if Toyota wins no one can complain...

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    Michelle Trice said:
    Aug 17, 2008 at 4:29 PM

    I really see Nascar shooting itself in the foot. They have really ruined the sport and I know of alot of people who have actually stopped watching because it has all become cookie cutter. The only thing that has made any of it more interesting was the Toyota and "is Stewart staying or leaving?"

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    Worm Dirt said:
    Aug 17, 2008 at 4:59 PM

    Is it really that hard to see what happened here folks??? I'm not condoning cheating, but didn't Nascar PENALIZE JGR a few weeks ago for doing their jobs too well and having some success?????? After a team has to stand there and watch Nascar change the rules mid-season and flush ALL THEIR HARD WORK down the toilet, can't you see WHY that would make them a little nervous??? I mean JGR should & will accept responsibility for this, but CAN'T YOU SEE HOW NASCAR OPENS THE DOOR FOR THIS KIND OF THING with their manipulation of the rule-book to reward whining by other teams over hard work????

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    Doug Webster said:
    Aug 17, 2008 at 5:16 PM

    I've said it here before and I will say it again, Toyota in NASCAR, money talks and bul..... walks. Toyota can't do anything on their own, they either buy it or steal it. Do you think there was a reason Bush wasn't driving the # 18 Nationwide car this weekend? Joe Gibb's Racing could take a lesson from all the players at the Little League World Series, they all wear a patch on their sleeves that reads, "I Will Not Cheat".

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    Janet Lyle said:
    Aug 17, 2008 at 7:56 PM

    For one,Busch didn't drive because they wanted Logano to get seat time on the big track.Now I think nascar better check out Roush cars,or has Flipper been holding back? Gee what a coincidence.No I don't agree with cheating but why can't people except the fact that Kyle is a talented driver and give him his due.#9 says throw out JGR and junior would have a chance in the chase,sounds to me if he isn't good enough maybe he doesn't deserve to be in the chase.Remember he isn't his dad.

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    Adrion C said:
    Aug 17, 2008 at 9:57 PM

    Wow. I can't believe some of the stuff I've read here. All cars in the nationwide series use a spacer. Toyotas is just slightly more restrictive than the other manufactures. The cheating was in the Nationwide series. Why penalize them in the Sprint cup series? I amin no way a Toyota fan but let's not be ridiculous.

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    PB said:
    Aug 17, 2008 at 10:02 PM

    The point is that Toyota only had an advantage manufactured by NASCAR not allowing the other manufactures to run an equivalent motor to the Toyotas.. And only did something to level things after the other Teams got very irate and vocal.. See my post above... The word that I got from people I know in the business and members of several Nationwide series crews was that there were rumors of Teams pulling their cars if NASCAR didn't do something by either allowing them to start using the newer motors as they ahd done with Toyota or level the playing field which is what NASCAR did...

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    emily bagwell said:
    Aug 17, 2008 at 10:18 PM

    let's not add insult to injury by throwing out the old line about all of Toyota's hard work. I thought that wqas the premise behind cheating---to avoid hard work.

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    Joshua Rainier said:
    Aug 18, 2008 at 8:39 AM

    Everyone needs to read PB's posts with regards to Toyota being unfairly penalized with a smaller spacer. NASCAR is about running equal cars making the driver 90% of the equation. That is why NASCAR is popular. Indy is dying because they don't run equal and the car is 90% of the equation. What JGR did was deliberate and worse than playing in the gray areas with flared fenders outside the template. It was known to be cheating. They were not testing out how strict NASCAR would be.

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    Jonathan Hughey said:
    Aug 18, 2008 at 9:48 AM

    Guys and Girls, please take a deep breath, calm down a bit and re-read this article. Yes, cheating was caught by NASCAR during the post-race dyno testing, and yes - cheating should not be defended. But several comments I've just read call for teams and wins being thrown out, and more. NASCAR themselves says that the magnets were NOT in place during Saturday's race, or any other race. They were put in place after the race. Their purpose was to skew the results of the dyno testing, making the power readings lower. Moreover, why would JGR put them in place for the race? That would reduce their power during the race because the accel. pedal would not reach the floor. Try reading the entire article before launching a diatribe. And maybe wait to see if anyone named Gibbs knew about this before playing the religion card! No, I don't uphold the cheating, I just want to judge this based on the facts, as they are reported.

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    Robert Wingert said:
    Aug 18, 2008 at 10:16 AM

    Nascar is doing the right thing now by checking the Sprint cars including the 18 and 48, and a few of the Roush cars. If they are cheating make them pay. First JGR runs sprint cup engines in the nationwide, then Nascar cuts down their horsepower advantage, and now JGR is using magnets to hide the real horsepower they have. It doesn't matter what fan you are, this is a big problem for Nascar to solve and get right. It does amaze why KB didn't run in the nationwide race since he has not missed one nationwide race held at the same track as the sprint race this year.

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    anonymous said:
    Aug 18, 2008 at 2:20 PM

    JGR rationale for KB to sit out this race was for Logano to get experience on a 2 mile track.

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    Bruce Morgan said:
    Aug 18, 2008 at 3:34 PM

    What I do not understand is why they did not print the actual DYNO HP with full throttle and DYNO HP with spacer under the throttle and also what other cars were checked besides these 2 Toyotas. This is something that would not have had any effect on the outcome of the race as it did not give them any HP. WOULD STILL LIKE HP COMPARISM SHOWN WITH AND WITHOUT SPACERS.!!!

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    Anonymous said:
    Aug 18, 2008 at 3:39 PM

    this is not the first nationwide race Kyle B sat out. They want Logano to get some experience in a cup car. Logano will be racing the cup car in Bristal. Plus he also has to race a big track for next year Cup.

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    Robert Wingert said:
    Aug 18, 2008 at 4:42 PM

    Anonymous I said it was the first time KB sat out when the Nationwide race was at the same venue as the Sprint car race. Logano is not racing a sprint car at Bristol. Do you ever get any facts right?

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    Rex Lee said:
    Aug 18, 2008 at 5:44 PM

    Nascars Director of compettition Mr. Hunter[N.N.S.] himself said,the Gibbs cars DID NOT have an illegal part or engine during the race. I think they were trying to stop anyone from figureing out how they had gained the horsepower Nascar had taken from them back.Robin Pemberton said they were interfering with A Nascar inspection process. Thats what the penalties and fines are for.

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    Julie Seybert said:
    Aug 18, 2008 at 8:00 PM

    i think they need to move on, all teams play games, some get caught some don't...

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    emily bagwell said:
    Aug 18, 2008 at 9:49 PM

    Well, let's not use religion---let's just say hypocrite. Joe will be where the buck stops even if his son is running JGR. NASCAR has opened Pandora's box with what they have given Toyotas, and now they do not know how to react. They have finished ruining the sport. WAKE UP, PEOPLE!!!

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    Robert Wingert said:
    Aug 19, 2008 at 7:59 AM

    You are right Emily. Nascar opened Pandora's box with the greed of JGR. Old saying money talks nobody walks. Toyota was out to get the big 3 and they did it with money and JGR was their pawn. You can also put a lot blame on ESPN, FOX, and TNT, how many times do they need to mention Toyota? We all know what cars the drivers are in. Do we need to know KB's Toyota is in the lead. Watching Nascar on TV is becoming a joke.

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    Worm Dirt said:
    Aug 19, 2008 at 11:48 AM

    Emily Blabwell and Robert Wingnut, Is making judgements on Joe Gibbs faith in god.... or calling him "greedy"....suppose to make anyone respect you or want to listen to your opinion???? As a matter of fact, how do you respect YOURSELVES after casting such venomous judgements on a man with such a PROFOUNDLY positive reputation? I've been working on an invention where I can press a button on my computer and reach my hand through cyberspace and do one of those 3-stooges slap/eye-gouge/head-tap combo routines to someone on the other end. Too bad it's not ready or I'd put it to good use right about now!

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    Marilyn Fisher said:
    Aug 19, 2008 at 3:44 PM

    If the magnates were placed where they were not suppose to be----and was doing something underhandedly, they are considered an illigal part for that race point blank no question about it-
    If the magnates were used in another place where they are doing the right thing and everyone could use them, then they are not an illigal part----end of discussion.

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    Robert Wingert said:
    Aug 19, 2008 at 6:54 PM

    Worm Dirt I can see why you enjoy making fun of other peoples names. Did you Mom Mrs. Dirt or your father Mr. Dirt name you worm? They did pick the perfect first name for you. Anyone who picks the name worm dirt has little or no respect for themselves.You are a fine example of that. Had no friends as a kid? I have a solution, which BTW most who post here should try and that is to ignore you and your unintelligent posts. When no one comes back at you, you'll disapear and return to the ground. Your invention sounds great keep working on it, who knows Bill Gates might be interested. So farewell worm dirt. Emiliy please do the same.

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    Worm Dirt said:
    Aug 19, 2008 at 8:40 PM

    Robert Wingnut, Insult me all you want.....BUT NOBODY....imean NOBODY belittles my innocent dear mother "Mrs. Dirt"!!!!!! I suggest wearing a football helmet or practicing some evasive steel-trap-reflex dodging maneuvers when reading my comments from now on......because when my invention is complete and functional.....You are first on the list for a test session! I can't wait to see the look on your face when my hand pops through your computer-screen.... giving you the 3-stooges slap/eye-gouge/ combo....and then writing "Worm Dirt" on your forehead with a Sharpie pen!!!!! Be afraid......

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    patsi Wilbanks said:
    Aug 19, 2008 at 8:58 PM

    Nascar just doesn't mean the same to me any more since Toyota came in and everyone just put them on such a pedestal. Why did Nascar have to start this mess by giving over to them in the first place...MONEY! It's all about the money. So many fans have gone away and I see more falling each and every time Kyle wins another race...and tallent is not the reason...it's the added power he has! I don't even want to go to Bristol and I have had season tickets for years! That's a sad fact and a bad feeling for a sport I used to love.

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    Robert Wingert said:
    Aug 19, 2008 at 9:43 PM

    I agree Patsi they took our American Sport and allowed Toyota in it. Look what happened to the Indy cars as they are all Honda's now. I guess all the Toyota lovers won't mind Honda getting into Nascar. Tony Stewart although not a big fan of his, but he had the guts to go back to Chevy. I'll sure enjoy seeing him win next year. Nascar needs to wake up.

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    anonymous said:
    Aug 20, 2008 at 6:50 AM

    Looks like somebody struck a nerve with the Dirty Worm AKA Einstein of Nascar. How dare anybody insult him or his family. Be afraid of what??? A little worm that slithers through the dirt for what purpose on earth, other than to fertilize?? Your hatred of anyone having an opinion against Toyota is borderline paranoia. Be afraid, be very afraid, of yourself.

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    anonymous said:
    Aug 20, 2008 at 10:00 AM

    Another mindless rant from Worm Dirt. Would expect nothing less of him. He really gets a thrill from reading his own comments. How pathetic is that. Must be a lonely life in the dirt

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    Worm Dirt said:
    Aug 20, 2008 at 12:09 PM

    Well..well..well... Leave it to "Team-Anonymous" to highlight an INTERESTING aspect of this community. Just like many people's hatred and fear affects the way they view Toyota's role in Nascar...... So does hatred of me affect your view on what I am trying to say here. By many accounts, Joe Gibbs is one of the most respected men in sports. Yet, people have written comments under this article questioning his FAITH IN GOD, HIS MORALS AND ETHICS without any facts!!!!!!! I guess this is acceptable behavior to the rest of you because, except for Mr. Hughey, nobody has said a word! Instead, when I stand up to this type of thing and make a few jokes, ONLY THEN does the outrage begin. If you need to project your hatred on me to dull the pain of accepting reality, then I'm glad to help. But, please realize that it will only be a short-term fix. Get your football helmets out Team-Anonymous!!!! Also, what color sharpie would you like for me to use?

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    anonymous said:
    Aug 20, 2008 at 1:03 PM

    Ditt #51 & #52

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    emily bagwell said:
    Aug 20, 2008 at 10:47 PM

    Ditto to #'s 46,47,49,50,51,52 and double ditto to #54. Robert, you are right about not responding to Worm. Let me say one final thing and then good bye, Worm! The only thing I said, Worm, was "Religious, my foot." You're the one who came up with JGR's faith in God---must have been your thought. What's the matter--tarnish your grand Toyotas.As far as greed---gee, I bet money never entered Joe's mind. Worm, you are the official dunce for the day!

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    Worm Dirt said:
    Aug 21, 2008 at 1:20 AM

    Wow...."Official Dunce of the Day"!!!! Really??? That's AWESOME!!!!! I guess I would FIRST like to thank the other competitors that were up for this award. They all deserve a round of applause and I am honored to be in your company. Competition between dunces is part of what makes this fun, and I think we all benefit. And while I respectfully accept "the official dunce for the day" award, I would like to think that my best days as a dunce have yet to come..... gosh.....oh man!...sniffle...snort....sniffle..sniffle.....I PROMISED myself I wouldn't cry! When I think of my eary days as a dunce, I never dreamed..... ..sniffle.....snort...Well anyway...before I get too choked up...sniffle...sniffle..snort...i just have one last thing to say...it's VERY important....and...believe me.....I mean it from the bottom of my heart...why have you read this far emily and wingnut and team-anonymous etc. if you said you were going to IGNORE me???? Suckers!!!!!!!

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    Michelle Trice said:
    Aug 21, 2008 at 3:46 PM

    First of all, the only one of these car mfg that is made in the USA is Toyota. Chevy, Ford, and Dodge are in Mexico. The only thing that is done in the USA is they are put together here. The only thing that has ruined this sport is Nascar it is trying to make all of the cars run exactly the same. I wish I had been around to see the sport when it was a real sport. I bet watching Jr. Johnson, AJ Foyt, and the drivers of those days was something to behold. I like JGR and I really like Tony Stewart so more than likely I will be switching to SHR when Stewart does but it is because he is a great driver!

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    emily bagwell said:
    Aug 21, 2008 at 10:09 PM

    Lame, Michelle!

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    Michelle Trice said:
    Aug 22, 2008 at 2:59 AM

    think not thinks!!

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    Michelle Trice said:
    Aug 22, 2008 at 3:00 AM

    Apparently my comments got reversed. #59 should be after the second one!

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    Mr Zoom said:
    Aug 22, 2008 at 5:44 PM

    I heard a New Theory Today at work, about the Magnets and where they were... "The magnets were under the peddle to hold it down during the race... Ha Ha, and the driver only needed to step on the brake during the race... That the peddle was stuck down during the dyno-ing when the NASCAR official lifted his foot. What do U ALL think of this theory? Plausible?

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    Robert Wingert said:
    Aug 23, 2008 at 7:16 AM

    I was around back then Michelle, the good thing about it there were no Toyotas. Check your facts Chevy, Ford and Dodge do not build all their cars in Mexico. The profits stay here in the USA and don't go to Japan. If Chevy or Ford pull out of Nascar you can say goodbye to our sport. Without GM, Ford, and Chrysler we would have no Nascar to love. Times are bad in the auto industry, so we should be supporting those who gave us this exciting sport to enjoy.

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    Worm Dirt said:
    Aug 23, 2008 at 11:58 AM

    Beth forgot to mention CANADA in addition to Mexico as countries where a lot of the "american" cars are assembled. And yes, Toyota is a Japanese company, but do you think the workers who assemble the Toyotas here in america send their paychecks back to Tokyo? What about the guys at the Toyota dealership downtown? What about the mechanics who fix them and rotate & balance the tires on them? Or the store that sells you parts for them? Etc? etc? If someone chooses to by a Toyota and saves money by getting good gas mileage, do they mail those savings to Japan? I think it's a little more complicated than some of you want to admit! And ABSOLUTELY, if chevy, ford or dodge pulled out of Nascar it would be TERRIBLE, but has anyone ever bothered to think about how Toyota coming into Nascar has actually HELPED the sport???

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