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Joe Gibbs Racing, Kyle Busch penalized 25 points for Texas violation
By SceneDaily Staff
Wednesday, November 11, 2009
Nationwide driver Kyle Busch and Joe Gibbs Racing have been docked 25 points each for an opening-day inspection violation at Texas Motor Speedway.
David Griffin
NASCAR Scene
NASCAR has penalized Nationwide Series points leader Kyle Busch 25 driver points and his team 25 owner points for improperly attached weight discovered during opening-day inspection for last weekend's race at Texas Motor Speedway.
The Joe Gibbs Racing driver remains in the points lead, but his advantage over Roush Fenway Racing's Carl Edwards drops slightly to 247 points. He could still clinch the series title in this weekend's race.
Busch's crew chief, Jason Ratcliff, has been fined $5,000 and placed on NASCAR probation until Dec. 31.
In addition, Brad Parrott, who was crew chief of the No. 09 RAB Racing team of John Wes Townley at Texas Motor Speedway, has been fined $5,000 and placed on NASCAR probation until Dec. 31 after he was found to be in violation of the rule concerning an unapproved panhard bar adjustment during impound by a team member. The infraction was found during the prerace inspection.
Mentioned Drivers: Kyle Busch
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wmvjr1960 said:
Nov 11, 2009 at 3:09 PMWhat was improper about it? Stop playing games. Why not just use the old "conduct detrimental to the sport" for all violations. We don't need to know specifics, we are just the lowly fans, who don't know what we are watching anyways, right?
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» Confirm Abuse ReportMeg said:
Nov 11, 2009 at 3:26 PMI always wonder if the crew chiefs pay their own fines or the car owners pay the fine for them.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportPhoenix987 said:
Nov 11, 2009 at 3:41 PM#2, I'd bet the owners do.
Report as Abuse25 points is rather pointless isn't it? So what's he got to do now, run 4th instead of 10th to clinch?
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» Confirm Abuse Reportaustinh said:
Nov 11, 2009 at 3:48 PMCHEATER CHEATER CHEATER Have a nice day.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportrmvojtas said:
Nov 11, 2009 at 3:57 PMI read once that the fines are thrown into a "pot" and distributed at the end of the season. So if that truly is the case - as I read it - why fine them at all? I would rather see the "fines $$$" go to a charity and NOT back to the drivers, etc. Any thoughts?
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» Confirm Abuse Reportjbbigrod said:
Nov 11, 2009 at 4:08 PMWhoopdeedoo, it SHOULD have been more like 250 points, afterall they banned Jeremy Mayfield for "supposedly" being detrimental to the fans and drivers with his Claritan Clear use. - - - Oh, well, so it goes, another boring finish to the season. HOPEfully it will be more exciting in cup now. I will continue to pick JJ to win in hopes he does bad like last week. NEED Mark to win there, and would LIKE Carl to win here, but just too doubtful.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportjuniegirl said:
Nov 11, 2009 at 4:15 PMOh come one NASCAR, he was just trying to make history!
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» Confirm Abuse ReportRainier said:
Nov 11, 2009 at 4:34 PMI still want improperly attached to be explained. For all we know it was a sliding mechanism to shift weight from front to back as someone else hypothesized on another thread. They leave it so open for imagination they breed a belief that these teams are cheating when it could just be a mistake.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportoldmanjob said:
Nov 11, 2009 at 4:36 PMWhat the heck is a panhard bar? Why doesn't NASCRAP just build all the cars, adjust everything including the elusive panhard bar,and deal the cars out at the beginning of the race to each of the drivers. Being all the cars are adjusted the same and built the same no one has to touch them. Race the hand you were dealt!!!
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» Confirm Abuse Reportyojoromo said:
Nov 11, 2009 at 4:37 PM#4 are you really stupid enough to think that someone is cheating by not have weight attached correctly? Give me a break, no one should be that dumb.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportCanFan said:
Nov 11, 2009 at 4:37 PMFrom Jayski: "Starting in 2008 all money collected from fines issued to drivers go to the NASCAR Foundation for its charitable initiatives, before the money collected from driver/crew member penalties are generally placed into the Drivers Points Fund awarded at the end of the season."
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» Confirm Abuse Reportiusewd40 said:
Nov 11, 2009 at 4:43 PMOkay Folks---here is a SCOOP that Naszar has not cought yet this year---an Informed Source has alerted me to an infraction of THE RULES by one team---The "Lugnuts" on this team have 'Left-Hand' thread on the Left side of the Car. This gives them an advantage in the Pits. No, it is NOT Kyle nor is it Jimmy.
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» Confirm Abuse Reporttruble66 said:
Nov 11, 2009 at 4:57 PMi agree with # 5. and as far as a violation in PRE-RACE INSPECTION, well penalties seem wrong. send them back to bring it to standard which will cost them valuable practice time or deny practice time all together.
Report as Abuseextreme,flagrant or saftey issuse are another matter and should be delt with harshly.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportmom1159 said:
Nov 11, 2009 at 4:59 PMnascar penalties are so ridiculous- just as their "debri" cautions- why penalize the driver anyway for something he has no control over- fine the crew chief, the owner, etc, but not the driver- he only drives what they give him. guess nascar is trying to make the rest of the season a little more exciting by trying to make points closer-
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» Confirm Abuse ReportPhoenix987 said:
Nov 11, 2009 at 5:08 PM#5: The fines used to be given to the drivers at the end of the year. When they started the "$10k for a bad word" fine or whatever, Rusty Wallace started petitioning NASCAR to give the money to charity- it now goes to the NASCAR Foundation and its group of charities.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportDickHURTZ said:
Nov 11, 2009 at 6:04 PMIf it happened on opening day INSPECTION, how did that effect time trials or the race itself?? Just wondering.... If it was discovered after the race ---- that would be different and that would be cheating. Was it a safety issue? I don't know.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportblachley said:
Nov 11, 2009 at 6:20 PM#10 yes we have used sliding weights for years, I don't think so now, buy don't put it to bed it can happen, just a little bit can make all the difference, and win you a race
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» Confirm Abuse Reportscary2 said:
Nov 11, 2009 at 6:22 PMI thought pre-race inspection was to notify teams they had a problem..go fix it...after the race is when you fine somebody..if TV has enough cameras to show every slide, drivers hands moving (including the No. 1) how come they can't show every debris..they show a guy throwing a water bottle out .
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» Confirm Abuse Reportjbbigrod said:
Nov 11, 2009 at 6:24 PMIt is ALWAYS "cheating", IF they can get away with it. AND number 10 either YOU are stupid or very ignorant to stock cars and racing in general. OF COURSE they are cheating when they do those kinds of things. Where have you been, your head in the sand? - - - Give US a break. EVERYone TRIES to circumvent or BEND the rules to get an "advantage" over their competitors. THAT is what racing is all about. I raced for a total of 11 years, plus streetracing when I was a kid, and you ALWAYS looked for EVERY advantage you could find to beat the other guy. WHEN I raced in organized racing I ALWAYS obeyed the rules but looked for ever advantage I could find within those rules. So I don't fault them for that. - - - BUT IF the rules clearly state how something MUST be done, you just don't fool with that AT ALL, PERIOD! - - - AND MOM, it is a TEAM sport. EVERYONE HAS to be penalized and realize THEY hurt the rest of the team. AND the driver NEEDS to get on the rest of his team to let them know HE wants NO cheating. Hit HIS pocketbook and maybe, just maybe he will do something about it. It SHOULD have been at least a 100 points or more, so it would have SOME affect, but NA$CAR doesn't want him crying to them for the next 20 years for what they did to him "taking" HIS championship away from him. BooHoo.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportjbbigrod said:
Nov 11, 2009 at 6:27 PMNumber 9, a PANHARD BAR is the bar that keeps the rearend lined up side to side. And they ARE adjustable, so I don't know WHAT they are talking about adjusted wrong, unless they have a SET height or whatever they have to adhere to. Adjusting it DOES affect the handling.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportracinghcr said:
Nov 11, 2009 at 6:29 PMOldmanjob (#10) All you did is redefine IROC Racing=nothing new ! From the posts of lowly EX-Nazicar fans it seems like everyone is tired of the Distortions,Dishonesty,Deception,and TOTAL LACK OF CREDIBILITY of ANY of the BIASED,INCONSISTENT,and DOWNRIGHT STUPID RULES DECISIONS made by the "BIG BOSSES IN THE NAZICAR CONTROL BOX". They think by being DECEPTIVE/DISHONEST with the "Dumb FANS" and the competitors they are above all of us ,and somehow Infallible or Perfect !! GUESS the EMPTY SEATS and PLUNGING TV RATINGS FOOLED the Nazicar BOSSES IN the BOX ---IF they look in the Mirror they will see in the end who the REAL FOOLS ARE!!!
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» Confirm Abuse Report4wheelen said:
Nov 11, 2009 at 6:33 PMIt is what it is.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportKBfaninGA said:
Nov 11, 2009 at 7:38 PM#19 - NASCAR has already set precendents with this infraction as stated earlier this week in a SceneDaily article "NASCAR penalized Nationwide Series Mike Harmon 25 points for a similar improper weight violation earlier this year at Daytona. And while it did not take points, NASCAR fined Sprint Cup crew chief Donnie Wingo $25,000 for an improperly secured weight violation last year." So, although you haters would love to see them do more to Kyle than any of the other drivers.....NASCAR gave him the exact same points fine as they did another driver earlier this year. Sorry NACAR didn't penalize him what YOU thought they should. Guess you weren't home when they called to ask you ROFL
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» Confirm Abuse ReportWerner said:
Nov 11, 2009 at 8:01 PMhow many times to we see the bodies not fit the templates at Daytona years ago and they sent the guys back to the garage...now we just issue fines...makes no sense, even worse if the car never made it onto the trak......
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» Confirm Abuse Reportdale-jr-is-the-greatest-driver-alive said:
Nov 12, 2009 at 12:02 AMok so were my post again scenedaily sheesh all i said was this doesnt really make it a big deal sinces its only 25 points and doesnt help my boy brad out alot in winning the championship plus its the jv league i have little interest in it since the points and fines taken away are so minuscule. now if it was a 200 point penalty i would b definitly intrested
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» Confirm Abuse Reportjbbigrod said:
Nov 12, 2009 at 2:41 AMnumber 25, YOUR boy "Brad" isn't going to win the Championship anyway, even IF Kyle died. Carl is NEXT in line. Number 23, what makes you think we are all haters? I don't HATE Kyle, just don't want him to win the championship. I am rooting for Carl.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportJrNation_Idiots said:
Nov 12, 2009 at 3:29 AMWell carl is only 20 points up on brad so I wouldn't sleep on brad maybe getting 2nd in points...
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» Confirm Abuse Reportsibbi173 said:
Nov 12, 2009 at 5:30 AMNascar should have taken 200 points off him....THAT would have made the next race more interesting!!!
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» Confirm Abuse Reportrmvojtas said:
Nov 12, 2009 at 7:49 AMThanks to #11 and #15 for the info re: the penalized "pot $$$" actually goes to charity. Guess Nascar did something right for a change! The drivers, teams, etc., all make enough money already.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportrosanne_masters said:
Nov 12, 2009 at 8:39 AMI'm gonna play moderator here....What's with the names....stupid...dumb? Come one. Yes we all have our opinions, but no one has the right to call others dumb or stupid for their opinions. The purpose of boards like this is to be able to ask questions if you need an answer. Using all the put down names doesn't make you more knowledgeable, it only makes you look less intelligent. It also makes the Kyle fans look bad.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportdbcooper said:
Nov 12, 2009 at 9:36 AM#16 with a name like yours you should see a doctor soon.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportdaviclar38 said:
Nov 12, 2009 at 10:49 AMLOL to DB's comment!! The attachment may have been seen/analyzed as a down force enhancement or not. But Nascar has rules for teams to abide by and if they don't then Nascar has to enforce these rules and penalize for infractions. I don't have any problem with teams finding ways to cheat though, I applaud them!!
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» Confirm Abuse Reportbonjg24 said:
Nov 13, 2009 at 4:43 AMI don't know...I think sometimes Nascar just needs more money(duh). But I really do believe
Report as AbuseNascar's guys at the top really don't like Kyle
very much...although for the life of me I don't
know why. I feel they should have thrown a
deprie caution with 5 laps to go so everyone could top off. If anyone but Kyle was leading
they would have done that. You think????
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» Confirm Abuse Reportsmoke14fan said:
Nov 13, 2009 at 12:56 PMYes, I agree with 33, Nascar always throws Gordon, Johnson and Jr cautions. They threw a Gordon caution(debris) because he was about to be lapped. Show me the debris,I was there didn't see anything. Kyle Busch is a fantastic driver and he wins in anything he drives.
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