On the Right Track
A NASCAR BLOG BY Jeff Gluck
Some fans won't miss Bill Weber in TNT booth
Bill Weber is officially out as play-by-play man for TNT's final two Sprint Cup races this season, and by the sounds of it, NASCAR fans view the news as cause for celebration.
Following TNT’s announcement that Ralph Sheheen will instead handle duties from the booth (as he did last week at New Hampshire), NASCAR fans on Twitter immediately expressed their happiness with the decision.
“That's GREAT news! I didn't like Bill at all,” wrote annie367.
“Woohoo! Bill Weber's voice is sooo annoying!” tweeted southerncharm88.
“Not a fan of Bill Weber, never was,” a user named cannemu wrote. “Personally, I hope TNT finds some other use for him...preferably off camera.”
Fans said they feel Weber is too condescending, and if it’s one thing NASCAR fans can’t take from their announcers, it’s the “voice from above” mentality that talks down to them during the broadcasts.
NASCAR fans already know their stuff. They’d rather feel like they’re being treated as knowledgeable equals than know-nothings who must be educated.
They want to be talked to, not talked at.
Weber, dating back to his days on NBC, hasn’t done that enough and has instead irked many a fan. Personally, I never enjoyed listening to him either, and was puzzled when NBC didn’t let Allen Bestwick back in the booth following a hockey injury that relegated him to the infield.
Though TNT would not comment on its reasons behind the decision, it reportedly was not performance-related. Either way, it opened the door for Sheheen, who presents a fresh and welcome voice in the broadcast booth. His play-by-play for AMA Supercross racing on Speed is always enjoyable to listen to, and fans believe he made the most of his opportunity at New Hampshire.
In an informal poll on Twitter, 90 percent of fans approved of Sheheen’s performance last week. And combined with top-notch analysts Kyle Petty, who has already become the No. 1 NASCAR analyst, and Wally Dallenbach, TNT suddenly has assembled the best booth in the business.
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cmwel2000 said:
Jul 1, 2009 at 11:37 AMthe best booth in the business? kyle petty stumbles all over himself and says nothing of real substance. he simply repeats what wally says. kyle gets too excited over nothing cuz he hasnt seen the lead in 15 years. i hate to say it but, fox still has the best booth. TNT is only 6 races and ESPN could be tons better if they would go back to the formula they had in the 90's. jerry punch is just corny and cheesy about like bill weber. petree and jarrett are great but get a new lead announcer. bob jenkins? ken squier? i personally think if mike joy didnt have to dumb down himself to work with DW, he would be great. when he was on CBS, he was himself and didnt talk like he was reading a script. the problem with the broadcasts now is that they are not educational enough. i personally havent learned anything from a nascar broadcast since 2000. not enough inside or first hand information like benny or ned had to give credibility. the coverage is just too dumbed down to cater to the "casual" fan. THAT is the problem and the announcers making everything over dramatic. and they never give their REAL opinion on anything. they just walk the company line. its all so fake now in an attempt to "attract" viewers. being SO inviting pushes them away. in the 90's, ESPN treated like, "if you watch, you watch; if you dont, you dont. and if you dont understand something or the lingo, watch long enough and you will.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportgibsongroup said:
Jul 1, 2009 at 12:17 PMTNT is by far the worst coverage of NASCAR. Sorry Bill but I won't miss you...Ralph Shaheen is much better.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportdale-jr-is-the-greatest-driver-alive said:
Jul 1, 2009 at 12:36 PMlol best ever you must be kidding their like 3rd behinf fox and the espn nationwide crew i lmao but i love race buddy and the in car stuff they do on nascar.com thats were they really shine but they need work on their announcers and stuff but when it comes to fan interaction their #1 just because of racebuddy
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» Confirm Abuse Reportdale-jr-is-the-greatest-driver-alive said:
Jul 1, 2009 at 12:39 PMplus wth is wrong with giving info about racing and stuff their many new fans that would have loved his insight
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» Confirm Abuse Reportmanzytrophygirl said:
Jul 1, 2009 at 12:43 PMHey, Weber--don't let the door hit you in the a_ _ on the way out of the booth! Is there anyone out there that knows the real reason why this happened, aside from it being a real blessing? I have checked every site out there and can't find a thing.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportnana7341 said:
Jul 1, 2009 at 2:16 PMat least they did not put in another Waltrip or Wallace...I miss Benny! Fox has too many DWand friends to talk about how great he was and MIkey is????
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» Confirm Abuse Reportdadobrandy said:
Jul 1, 2009 at 2:24 PMTNT is the worst of the three networks that present Sprint Cup Series races; and though Bill Weber may be a sour personality, he isn't to blame.
Report as AbuseTNT's idea that they want the broadcast to consist of "three guys who are just watching the race" is ridiculously disfunctional. Why not put real race fans in the booth if that's what they want? Instead, we're presented with two drivers who offer little substance and often argue with eachother - leaving fans at home feeling awkward. Weber has tried to moderate the madness of such a disorganized broadcast, and has done pretty well.
But I don't think he's good enough to be missed as Shaheen fills in.
Fox's coverage is far and above the best. Each of the personalities in the booth or the Hollywood hotel have clearly defined positions to play. Mike Joy is the best anchor in the biz. D.W. is the expert driver on hand. And Larry Mac offers a crew chief's perspective.
ESPN can be too gimicky and stiff at times. The beauty of Fox's coverage is that the personalities jell so well. Just like on a real race team, Chemistry is everything!
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» Confirm Abuse Reportjamiemacfan26 said:
Jul 1, 2009 at 2:25 PMFox is undoubtebly the best but TNT provides the cool things online such as race buddy and thats primarily whats keeping them high in broadcast rankings for me but the play by play change could help all of their flaws. I think Ralph is a great addition. I dont think so much as Bill Weber being condescending. More like his voice is annoying.
Report as AbuseGood Luck Ralph!
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» Confirm Abuse Reportmerryweather20 said:
Jul 1, 2009 at 2:36 PMFox is the best? They're horrible DW does a terrible job, so biased and he'll just throw out random numbers and pretend they're accurate statistics. Nevermind Digger, there's an idea instead of improving race coverage we'll add an animated Gopher!
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» Confirm Abuse ReportEnigma715 said:
Jul 1, 2009 at 4:49 PMI actually liked Bill in the booth. I thought he did a nice job of blending in with Benny and Wally when he stepped in for Bestwick. AB had to be the star and whether they did or not, it seemed like he and Wally did not like each other. Bill seemed content to let Benny (and now Kyle) and Wally be the stars. I know he has a lot of experience covering all kinds of racing but I do NOT like Sheheen. Never have. His voice annoys the heck out of me. BRING BACK BOB JENKINS!!!
Report as AbuseEven though DW can go overboard at times, I sill think FOX is the best overall. Mike Joy and Larry Mac are both awesome! ESPN is horrible!!
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» Confirm Abuse ReportJJ48 said:
Jul 1, 2009 at 4:53 PMI don't see what people think is so great about Fox's coverage. They don't talk about the race. They just make stupid jokes about an animated gopher. ESPN would be great if they would put Allen Bestwick in Jerry Punch's place but with him doing the play by play it is just hard to listen to. To me TNT does the best job and without Bill Weber it will now be even better.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportsundaemunny said:
Jul 1, 2009 at 5:40 PMThe TNT booth last week was the most enjoyable broadcast I've heard in a long time. It avoided the 'all about ME' problem that DW has, and much of the bias. They somehow manage to cover the majority of the field instead of the 10 or so that are scripted by the other networks. the NH race wasn't exactly riviting, but the guys in the booth at TNT made in enjoyable is spite of that. I'm sorry that Bill Weber has lost his gig, but I won't miss him in the booth this week.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportAndi said:
Jul 1, 2009 at 7:09 PMFox USED To be the best, but they're starting to go downhill fast. Mike Joy was pretty good but since hanging out with DW, he's dumbed down. The best team would be: Mike Joy, Allen Bestwick, & someone else, maybe like Dale Jarrett, Andy Petree, or even Ralph. I never liked Weber. He was a better pit reporter then a play by play. I've always LOVED Allen in the booth, and miss him so. He was so informative and didn't dumb things down and talked to you like an equal. Kyle Petty gets on my nerves just about as much as DW. I used to be all Fox, Fox. Fox, now I hate them. And that stupid gropher is a joke and I hate it, and think he needs to go. The camera is cool but that's it. What I like about TNT is the cool things they offer. But I think now ESPN is the best. I don't look forward to TNT, never have and maybe never will. But at least Weber is out, the next to go is either Wally or Kyle Petty. Sorry, but half the time they don't know what the heck they're talking about. Bring Ken Squire back, now that's THE Best in the business.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportredcars said:
Jul 1, 2009 at 9:59 PMI have never liked Webber. He is a cry baby and a condescending dufus. The best was Bob Jenkins, Ned Jarrett, and Benny Parsons. The best now would be Mike Joy, Dale Jarrett and Andy Petree. They need to get rid of alwayhs politically correct Jerry Punch he is just like Webber. Kyle Petty flls all over himself trying to be gracious and not say anything bad about anyone. Wally isn't to bad. Dale jarrett just starting out is better than the whole bunch. He is matter of fact and humorous. HE will be great after a few more races.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportswampy88 said:
Jul 1, 2009 at 10:53 PMIf anything needs to be said, it's the fact that the people in the booth are like a bunch of teenagers watching their fist race! When there's a crash on the track, they are going OOH & AHHH. I can't take it. Kyle is just repeating what's already been said by Wally. I miss DW already! I hope they fix this once and for all. As for replacing Weber?, he's been there along time and is okay. Ralph did a great job replacing him. Kyle's energy comes from him being closer to the front than he ever did driving!
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» Confirm Abuse Reportrb28race said:
Jul 2, 2009 at 1:24 PMI am sick of Fox. DW and Larry Mc are so dumb with their stupid little skits and sayings they do. Enough of TIGHTEN THEM BELTS UP ONE MORE TIME, BOOGITY BOOGITY BOOGITY, and DIGGER. When will we have someone that can tell it like it is instead of sucking up to NASCAR every chance they get. NASCAR is not the greatest thing ever. Give them a rew more years and this series will not be as it is now. It may not even exist.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportdebdawg007 said:
Jul 2, 2009 at 2:04 PMmanzytrophygirl-He got into some sort of heated argument at the hotel he was staying at last race weekend, throwing stuff, lots of yelling, the cops might have been called. That's why he got suspended originally.
Report as AbuseIt was on here or maybe Twitter about what happened.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportmariep75 said:
Jul 2, 2009 at 2:29 PMBring back Alan Bestwick, he is the best. I was so unhappy when he was replaced on the Mon. night show, now called TWIN, by Steve Burns. The thought of Ken Squier coming back would be enough for me to tune out permanently. I have been a fan for over 50 years but I am moving away faster with TOYOTA and the rules written in pencil.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportcmwel2000 said:
Jul 2, 2009 at 2:42 PMkeep allen bestwick away. he needs to do golf play by play. its bad enough that ESPN hired him. what on earth is there to like about AB? i cant stand his voice. he is just TOO professional
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» Confirm Abuse ReportOLD_GUY said:
Jul 2, 2009 at 8:54 PMTNT the best?
Report as Abuselap 38 @ Michigan Weber: "Let's go thru the field.
Lap 39 @ Michigan: green flag pit stops begin.
Had any of the dufuses ever been to a race before?
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Jul 2, 2009 at 8:59 PMTNT the best?
Report as Abuse@ Pocono, Weber to Petty: "Those little voices in your head, some are important."
Could have been about anything, but I'd hazzard a guess that the little voice just might have been the director of the broadcast.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportOLD_GUY said:
Jul 2, 2009 at 9:04 PMTNT the best?
Report as AbuseSeveral times EVERY week one of the booth creatures is talking about/explaining something on screen and the camera switches to something entirely different and not related to the commentator's remarks. They may as well be on different planets concerning the video/audio coordination.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportOLD_GUY said:
Jul 2, 2009 at 9:11 PMTNT the best?
Report as AbusePetty @ Loudon: "Why do they have those little white marks on the track?" Wally thought it was a trick question or had fallen asleep, and didn't answer. Petty proceeded to answer his own question: "So we in the booth can see who slides up the track!" They might be a team but at best a dysfunctional team.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportOLD_GUY said:
Jul 2, 2009 at 9:23 PMTNT the best?
Report as Abuse@ Pocono, Petty: "I'm sorry, I'm an idiot" after missing the reason for the 3rd caution (debris).
@ Pocono, Petty: "I have no clue." when asked why the #48 team chooses the pit stall closest to the entry to pit road. (Don't ask your partner a question unless you know that he knows the answer or has a legitimate response.)
@ Pocono, Petty: "Did they change the #39 carb?" after a several minute discussion of how to tell if a spark plug was firing (Crayon, grab it, etc.)
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» Confirm Abuse ReportOLD_GUY said:
Jul 2, 2009 at 9:37 PMESPN/ABC the best? Bunch, Petree and Jarrett all went to the same high school and are terribly difficult to tell apart when they speak. They might be good in a studio setting but are sub-par when doing a live event. I get the feeling that a lot of their stuff (as is TNT's) is pre-programmed and practiced. The result is a stilted, un-natural delivery which comes across as being phony. They have had 7 months to improve. In 3 weeks we will see if anything has changed. (Rusty Wallace is somewhere there in the ABC/ESPN mix. The next time I hear "I'll tell you what... from him, I'll be thinking "Rusty, Stuff it...".)
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» Confirm Abuse ReportOLD_GUY said:
Jul 2, 2009 at 10:40 PMFox the Best? 1st the bad stuff.
Report as AbuseMike Joy's "Overdrive" for GWC at the end of a race is lame.
McReynolds mis-use of the English language. (So what? You don't have any problems understanding what he's trying to say because of it, do you?)
Jaws (In no particular order) ego, Digger love, Boogity, Hendrick love, ego.
Meyers has a job but probably would like to get out of the asylum. "old" jokes about Berggren are not particularly funny, probably best kept off screen.
Hammond seems a little too touchy and confrontational.
Overall there's way too much Digger crappola and hype.
IMHO, the good:
Joy is pretty good at keeping the show on track.
The dynamic between crew chief(McR) and driver(DW) works better at Fox based on the strong egos involved and their real spontaneity as events unfold.
McReynolds knows his stuff and is able to explain it to the audience. To this day McR is still a crew chief thinking about and analyzing the race he is commenting upon. McR is not afraid of Waltrip and it shows.
Waltrip is an entertainer. He is very funny. He is quick-witted. He is knowledgeable.
Many think the "Boogity" call is bogus, inappropriate, stupid, anything from DW is bad, etc.
I suspect the "Boogity" is the sheer exultation of a seasoned driver starting yet another mano mano race to the finish. If the rush of adrenalin at the start of the race for the driver and the fans has no effect on you, check your pulse.
Overall the booth dynamic is the best of the current teams covering NASCAR and the technical gimmicks like the 'Digger' cam and 'Crank It Up' are done well. (The biggest thing the fan at home does not experience is the noise trackside.)
Come on folks, do a good/bad analysis of your own. I'd like to hear/see it. 8-)
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Jul 3, 2009 at 5:01 AMCome Old Guy, you're really DW aren't you?
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» Confirm Abuse Reportgwen_susie388 said:
Jul 3, 2009 at 12:25 PMThe first time and a couple more times when I heard DW say Boogity, Boogity, Boogity, I could tell it came from shear excitement! Before long fans were holding up the boogity signs. The next thing you could tell it was the way each race would begin. It no longer had that excitement he once had. He had to wait on the tighten them belts up etc.....! A lot of times when he said his Boogity thing it didn't seem to be at the right time that he normally would have said it. The two things I never grow tired of hearing are the "National Anthem," and, "Gentlemen start your engines!!!!" And I am not a DW fan at all.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportchevy2old said:
Jul 3, 2009 at 5:46 PMI am sorry to see Bill Webber go he was one of my favorites.
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» Confirm Abuse ReportOSUSam said:
Jul 4, 2009 at 9:46 AMI'm glad Weber is gone too, but I disagree on how great AB is. I can't stand that fake laugh of his. Give Ralph a shot. He deserves it.
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» Confirm Abuse Reportelvisg said:
Jul 8, 2009 at 12:37 PMWALLY AND KYLE ARE GREAT,,BRING BACK BESTWICK
Report as AbuseAND THAT WOULD BE A GREAT TRIO. IT'S ACTUALLY FUN TO LISTEN TO THESE GUYS. ONE OF THE CARS, I THINK MONTOYA HAD SOMETHING HANGING UNDER THE CAR AND WALLY MADE A HUMEROUS COMMENT ABOUT IT...HAD RUN IN WITH WEBBER ONCE COVERING RACE FROM LOCAL RADIO..KIND OF A PRIMA DONNA....GREAT TNT COVERAGE, TOO!!
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